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August 7th, 2007, 06:34 PM
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Re: Top 10 tanks of the war
The note that citation is needed is what I was affraid of. Not to discount the action, if it took place, or that Guderian felt doomed in some manner, I would just like to see the context and source of the story.
Another thought I just had was the amount of effort that must have gone into getting 14 King Tigers ready for combat at the same time.
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That's the best and most honest citerium statement in this thread 
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August 8th, 2007, 07:58 AM
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1) King Tiger
2) IS III
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IS III???!!!  That thing is waaaaay too ugly for my Liking!!!
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August 8th, 2007, 06:45 PM
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IS III???!!! That thing is waaaaay too ugly for my Liking!!! |
Then that must mean that you are ignorant becasue I know everything, and I say it looks good. What you think you are entitled to your own opinion... well I dont see why not, I guess then that you can think it is ugly, I will even give you my permission to think so. 
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August 8th, 2007, 09:31 PM
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Re: Top 10 tanks of the war
Watch it-or ill set my cat on you! 
A tank that REALLY looks good is the Crusader III. What a beauty.
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August 8th, 2007, 10:36 PM
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Then that must mean that you are ignorant becasue I know everything, and I say it looks good. What you think you are entitled to your own opinion... well I dont see why not, I guess then that you can think it is ugly, I will even give you my permission to think so.
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Holy shoot, and Otto complains about me! 
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I doubt that the look of an AFV rates highly on the desirable qualities list. The Crusader, for whatever its looks, was pretty much a dog of an AFV. This was a light tank in production at least two years after its design should have been abandoned. It had no better armor than the American M 3 Stuart, and an equivalent gun.
Yes, the Brits did shoehorn a 6 pdr into the III model but only by making the crew compartment extremely cramped and inefficent. The Crusader was mechanically complex and unreliable compared to German and US AFV as well.
If anything, British WW 2 armor development might be summed up as "Mediocrity thy name is any British tank."
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August 9th, 2007, 12:21 AM
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I second that.
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August 9th, 2007, 08:48 AM
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I doubt that the look of an AFV rates highly on the desirable qualities list.
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How do we adapt the "If it looks right it flies right" saying to a tank?
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August 9th, 2007, 08:51 AM
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Re: Best looking (to me) tanks.
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I doubt that the look of an AFV rates highly on the desirable qualities list. The Crusader, for whatever its looks, was pretty much a dog of an AFV. This was a light tank in production at least two years after its design should have been abandoned. It had no better armor than the American M 3 Stuart, and an equivalent gun.
Yes, the Brits did shoehorn a 6 pdr into the III model but only by making the crew compartment extremely cramped and inefficent. The Crusader was mechanically complex and unreliable compared to German and US AFV as well.
If anything, British WW 2 armor development might be summed up as "Mediocrity thy name is any British tank."
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The Churchill tank was NOT crap, or the firefly, or the Comet...
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If it has an 88 it cannot be ugly ever so it must have an 88!!!
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August 9th, 2007, 09:41 AM
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The Churchill tank was NOT crap, or the firefly, or the Comet...
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The Churchill? Are you joking? 87000lbs for a tank that initialy mounted 2 (2!) x 2pdrs? The Russians in the same time frame were mounting a long 75mm gun on a KV-1 weighing the same and they thought it undergunned, and later the JS-2 mounted a long 122mm gun on a frame weighing the same thing. Even with the later 6 pdr and the 75mm gun taken from the Sherman the Churchill in Russian terms was just a pea-shooter!
The Firefly? Yes, it was based on what was a damned good chassis, and adding a superlative gun ought to make a good mix.
The Comet, yes, a good tank too, even if considering I wasn't able to squeeze my 1.63m frame into the front hatches! Another tank for Aethiopians!
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August 9th, 2007, 01:01 PM
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Are you converted yet?
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August 9th, 2007, 01:52 PM
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Oh I have always liked them, I just preferred the ladies that could turn their heads 
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August 9th, 2007, 02:58 PM
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Re: Top 10 tanks of the war
Even though it is not from WW2 the Sweeds built a main battle tank with no turret, the STVR 103 or S tank. Check it out.
Oh and the Jagd-Tiger is the best. WOW!
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August 9th, 2007, 03:06 PM
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Talk about difficult to hit in a 'hull down' position. Crewed by 3 (commander, gunner/driver and rear driver).
both Commander and gunner/driver could aim and control the gun from their respective periscopes.
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August 9th, 2007, 03:29 PM
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The Churchill never had 2 2pdrs. The first 2 models had 1 2pdr and a 76mm howitzer in the nose.
Oh, the jagdtiger wasen't a tank-it was a tank destroyer. But I love it too!
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Re: Top 10 tanks of the war
All right, Mr. Picky
Churchill I - 2pdr on turret + 3in How in hull
II - 2 pdr in turret + BESA instead fo 3in How in hull
II CS - 3in How on turret + 2pdr in hull (wow, Mk I in reverse!)
III & IV & IX - 6pdr
IV (NA75) - M3 75mm gun (US)
V & VIII & XI - 95mm How
VI & X - 75mm gun (Vickers)
VII - ditto
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Re: Top 10 tanks of the war
How about this one...........The Black Eagle. It also has a crew of 3 and is the first tank to not have anyone in the turret.
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