Originally Posted by JCFalkenbergIII

In the actual Sherman vs T34 battles (Korea and Syria) the Shermans won most of the time. Easy Eights killed 49 T34/85s against 20 M4A3E8s knocked out in Korea.

Originally Posted by Tomcat

They had 'computer bots' that contorled the tanks in ww2, wow never knew that, you learn something new everyday

Originally Posted by Tomcat

Ok, the Panther was an almost exact copy of the T-34 yes because it was a new inovative tank that was very good at what it did. However the Panther was not only complex in terms of labour time to build, but also in money needed to build, and the sheer complexity of what was required of the manufacters. Now even if this was not bad enough (as I have already posted this, but I will do it in again, because I amin a good mood) The panther having interlocking wheels just like the tiger, konigstiger, and the jadgpanther, all had the trouble with the wheels clogging up in the winter snow and western mud and making the tank immobile until it could be cleaned off, they all also were slow, extremely high on fuel consumption and were just too darn big, just look at the tiger being unable to cross many of the bridges in the combat areas (this somewhat made an attack by tigers prredictable). The panther although to German standards was considered a medium tank, in all regards it was a heavy tank while the T-34 being a medium its self as with the M4 sherman.

Who said that a tank can only be put out of action by penertration of its armour? What about the tracks, making it immobile? what about an arse shot taking out the engine? or the turrent with generally less armour and less slope then the hull? after all there is more then one way to skin a cat.

Ok now how well did the T-34 compared with the sherman go against a Tiger tank? Both had trouble knocking them out at any range, and both would be blown to pieces by the 88 KwK. Both had varients to attempt to fix this such as the British 17pdr Firfly (Sherman) and the T-34\85 (t-34\76), plus you cant compare a first varient American M4 Sherman against the last varient of the Russian T-34's. Its like putting the Mk I spitfire against a Me 109 Gustav.

oh and yes we know that there are many people out there that think the the Sherman was the worst tank ever and the Germans had the best tanks, but that simply is not the case mate.

Originally Posted by JagdtigerI

As for Korea, the Easy Eights used were upgunned and probably uparmored. Also the Russians probably did not give them there best tanks. As for Syria, the Sherman used there was nothing like the WWII Sherman it was the "Super Sherman" which was incredibly upgunned and uparmored to a point where it did not all all resemble the Sherman of WWII.



I am sorry that I seemed to have upset so many people by saying that, I was just making the point I wasn't taking into consideration the crews but that the people in the tanks were just equal...



First of all, I know everything you are talking about with the Panther and other German tanks, I just didn't want to get into the Panther but rather focus on the Sherman and T-34. The thing is that the those tanks did not go slow at all (except for the tiger which still wasn't that slow), the Jagdpanther ad the Panther went faster than a lot of other tanks including the Sherman. Another thing though, I don't feel that the Sherman was the worst tank of the war, nor do I have any special feelings towards German tanks, I just think the Jagdtiger looks cool.

And as for my name being JagdtigerI not II, that is just becase JagdtigerII was taken.

Originally Posted by Tomcat

Weeeee, here we go

The Jagptiger was a useless weapon anyway, and if I remember correctly on'y 25 were built and used in combat, prone to mechanical problems, slow (as usual), high fuel consumption (as usual), the same interlocking tracks as the panther (clogging), and basically against infantry it was eaisly overrun and had mines or charges attached to the tracks or engine, thats just of the top of my head.

Originally Posted by T. A. Gardner

On the JadgTiger: 150 were ordered, 75 were completed (want the werk numbers?). They served officially in just two panzerjäger abteilung; the 653rd and 512th. Both saw action exclusively on the Western Front, the 653rd facing the US 3rd Army for the most part and the 512th, the US 9th Army.
A few, three or four might have saw action against the Russians in the last few days of the war when the St. Valentine plant in Austria where they were being assembled was about to be overrun. Scratch crews grabbed the few finished vehicles and drove them into action. But, accounts are sketchy as to what they did.

Originally Posted by JagdtigerI

Did I do something to indicate that the Jadgtiger was extremely good or something??

I realize everything you are saying, but it looks cool does it not...

Originally Posted by Keystone Two-Eight

I dont suppose it counts, but I'm rather fond of the SU 152. It just looks meaner than hell.

Originally Posted by Tomcat

Just because something looks cool dosn't make it the best mate, the Jadgtiger may look devastasting or "cool" but it was a failure, Hitlers obsession with "Biggest is best" is far from cool, purely looking at it in a military view.

Originally Posted by tikilal

I am trying to figure out where the sensible discussion stands... I am lost.

Originally Posted by JagdtigerI

But actually back to the Jagdtiger...
what do you guys think would happen if a Jagdtiger (completely functional) was to face off with a SU-152?