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Old October 22nd, 2007, 02:39 AM
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The British "Sticky bomb" hand grenade
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Old October 22nd, 2007, 04:36 AM
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Ah, the Sticky Bomb. Great idea. If you look up the Internet you'll see reports of it sticking to the user's clothes and having to throw your jacket as far as you can as well, etc
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Although Technically It wasn't a grenade, If you threw it the bomb would come loose, drop off, and more than likely stick to your feet. I think there was a Dad's Army episode where Corporal Jones throws one and it happened. Fortunately it was a Dud. You where supposed to creep up on the tank and slap it on the back.
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The No 74 grenade was never used by the British army in combat, its only known use was as a demolition device by partisans
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While it looks pretty "stupid," the Japanese Type 3, once examined Japanese Type 3 H.E.A.T. Grenade - Inert-Ord.Net, appears like an almost ingenious development for the Japanese...



Or is this weapon at home in "this" thread?
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More Desperate than stupid. Remember the Japanese had had no experiences with enemy tanks early-war, so Tanks like the Matilda, Valentine, Grant and Sherman where a huge shock to them.
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They're using some type of Antitank grenade like that in Iraq I heard, it is of soviet manufacture and a lot better designed. Very effective in city fighting against armored vehicles as are most weapons.

As for the stupidest weapon designed I have to say the molotov cocktail throwers the British came up with early in the war. If I remember right one was simply a board that you pulled back and hit the bottle. Like an old Roman javelin launcher thingy thing. I think the centurions called it an "ass" as in donkey.
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That No 74 Sticky Bomb is scarey. One mistake and you're in deep trouble.
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I'd have to agree to the Japanese Ohka rocket bomb. Technically, if the Japanese had developed a guidance and launch system for it, it could've been a precursor to the cruise missile.
Unfortunately, having it carried by a very vulnerable Betty bomber on the way to the target makes the weapon system very vulnerable to Navy CAP.

As for the neutron bomb, I tend to think that there is a certain logic to it. It was an attempt to make a "clean" nuclear weapon. It's a disgusting thought but that's how I see it.
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The Okha rocket bomb was actually a rather deadly suicide system. Although many of the launch aircraft were shot down by CAP before they launched the actual Okha itself was devastatingly effective if it did manage a launch and go terminal on a target. Its speed was such that current US AA director systems on ships couldn't track it. It was tiny target and one, or two at most, would sink a destroyer and cripple most other ships.

For idiot suicide weapons the German Niger human torpedo is definitely right up there. Something around 100 were launched against shipping in the Channel and off Normandy. None found a target. Every one launched ended in the death of its pilot, usually from carbon monoxide poisoning.

Another not yet mentioned: The V-2. It was an impressive piece of technology. It also consumed a quarter of the German electronics industry output, a third of the potato crop (making alcohol for fuel), about 20% of the electricity in Germany (LOX production), had an airframe that cost about as much to make as a twin engine aircraft, and for all that could deliver a half ton payload on a target about 50% of the time up to 300 miles away one time. Proof that the Nazi leadership lacked any economic common sense whatsoever.
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Another not yet mentioned: The V-2. It was an impressive piece of technology. It also consumed a quarter of the German electronics industry output, a third of the potato crop (making alcohol for fuel), about 20% of the electricity in Germany (LOX production), had an airframe that cost about as much to make as a twin engine aircraft, and for all that could deliver a half ton payload on a target about 50% of the time up to 300 miles away one time. Proof that the Nazi leadership lacked any economic common sense whatsoever.
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The Okha rocket bomb was actually a rather deadly suicide system. Although many of the launch aircraft were shot down by CAP before they launched the actual Okha itself was devastatingly effective if it did manage a launch and go terminal on a target. Its speed was such that current US AA director systems on ships couldn't track it. It was tiny target and one, or two at most, would sink a destroyer and cripple most other ships.

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I totally agree with you. The Ohka is a devastatingly powerful weapon. But as you said, it's deadliness is limited to the fact that it has to be launched from a Betty. It doesn't make sense to me when a commander is losing trained bomber crews when it's supposed to be the Ohka pilot who's making the sacrifice. Sooner or later, he'll run out of experienced crews and have to make do with green crews, thus increasing his loss rate further. It's a downhill projection. This is a Western viewpoint.
If I put myself in the Japanese shoes, the only way to justify such losses is to think that exchanging the life of a bomber crew and Ohka pilot and one destroyer, cruiser, or heavier warship is more than a fair exchange.
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How about the Soviet dog mine? Inventive but badly executed.
A perfect example of the Pavlov Response, in order to train the dogs to run under tanks to deliver their "mines" they were always fed under tanks with their engines running. Unfortunately no-one thought on that they were feeding them under Russian diesel engined tanks when most German tanks were petrol engined (or vice versa)! Result? The mutts associated the noise of "friendly" tanks with food rather than the real targets! Talk about shooting yourself in the foot!

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I guess they did not expect to chase any planes. Just play sittin duck.
I understand that once the shortcomings of the design were highlighted by some drastic losses it gave good service as a Night Fighter especially when combined with RADAR and also in daylight when flown in mixed formations with Hurricanes which it closely resembled!
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"Hajile"

Hajile was a "Deceleration Device" — in other words, the world's first retro-rocket.The Admiralty's Directorate of Miscellaneous Weapon Development was actually working on a request from the Army, who wanted a better way than parachutes of getting heavy equipment like jeeps safely and quickly from an aircraft drop to the ground.

DMWD's answer was to put the equipment in a cradle fitted with a number of rockets that would fire a few metres above the ground, bringing the cargo to a soft landing, A plummet on a wire would trigger the firing. Unfortunately, things never quite went exactly to plan...
During the Cold War the Warsaw pact developed a successful rocket deceleration system for Heavy Drop Parachute Loads like Armoured vehicles. The pallets were brought down under multiple Chutes and the rockets were triggered by long trigger rods below the pallet about 30 feet before impact thus substantially softening the impact.

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I've heard of the piloted V-1 before. I think Hitler was disgusted by the Idea and gave it to the Japanese.
To the best of my knowledge the piloted V-1 was only a test bed to iron out problems in the guidance systems as illustrated in the film Operation Crossbow which charts Germany's V-1 and V-2 Programs and SOE's efforts to counter it! Incidentally one of the test pilots was a woman.

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I agree on the Maginot line. The Germans attacked through that area in 1870, so the French always thought they would attack there again. They didn't in ww1 so the French where stupid to think that they would do it again. And besides, if you had two choices;
-attack through a heavily defended area, all according to the enemy's plan
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-walk through a neutral country to attack they lightly defended bit.
If the French had extended the Maginot line on ALL of France's borders, the war might of been different. The would have to fortify the beaches as well in case Germany wanted to do an amphibious landing.
I thought the same until I watched a recent program regarding the origins on WW2. The main reason the Maginot was not extended along the Belgian frontier to the coast, was political, as it would viewed as abandoning their Belgian Akllies. However when shortly before the outbreak of war the Belgians declared neutrality it was too late to extend the construction program!

As for fortifying the beaches the Germans were not equipped for an Amphibious Landing of any size as proven by the failure to prosecute Operation Sealion. The only nation to have conducted Amphibious Operations against an opposing force of similar technological level was the British and Empire forces in the Dardanelles and that was hardly a shining example of how it should be done!

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Ah, the Sticky Bomb. Great idea. If you look up the Internet you'll see reports of it sticking to the user's clothes and having to throw your jacket as far as you can as well, etc
Also improvised to considerable effect, not all of it beneficial, using Army Socks, Composition B and Axle Grease in the final battle in Saving Private Ryan!

As my own submission of a Stupid Weapon from the files of the Home Guard who had some ideas for real which were even crazier than those dreamt up by Lance Corporal Jones in the Dads Army Movie. I'm not sure of this one had a proper title but I recall reading about this as an Anti Tank Weapon for use in built up areas. It required a team of 4, a rifleman whose job it was to open fire on the tank causing its crew to button down and concentrate on trying to destroy him. Meanwhile the remaining three would be secreted in an alley way or sidestreet and equipped as follows No.1 carries a 4 foot length of railway line (yeah right!), No.2 carries a blanket and a jerry can of petrol and No.3 a Very Pistol.

As the tank passes by, buttoned down and concentrating on eliminating the "sniper", the team rush from their place of concealment, No.1 thrusts the length of railway line into the tracks and running gear immobilising the tank (you hope), No.2 throws the blanket over the track and douses it with petrol from the jerry can and No.3 ignites the lot using the Very pistol!

This shows a complete lack of comprehension that tanks rarely travel singly and without supporting infantry!
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As my own submission of a Stupid Weapon from the files of the Home Guard who had some ideas for real which were even crazier than those dreamt up by Lance Corporal Jones in the Dads Army Movie. I'm not sure of this one had a proper title but I recall reading about this as an Anti Tank Weapon for use in built up areas. It required a team of 4, a rifleman whose job it was to open fire on the tank causing its crew to button down and concentrate on trying to destroy him. Meanwhile the remaining three would be secreted in an alley way or sidestreet and equipped as follows No.1 carries a 4 foot length of railway line (yeah right!), No.2 carries a blanket and a jerry can of petrol and No.3 a Very Pistol.

As the tank passes by, buttoned down and concentrating on eliminating the "sniper", the team rush from their place of concealment, No.1 thrusts the length of railway line into the tracks and running gear immobilising the tank (you hope), No.2 throws the blanket over the track and douses it with petrol from the jerry can and No.3 ignites the lot using the Very pistol!

This shows a complete lack of comprehension that tanks rarely travel singly and without supporting infantry!
Ah, but salesman who foisted that idea upon them called it not a weapon, but a Weapons System. Critical difference there.
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the MP-40 submachinegun with a curving barrel extension for shooting around corners. what will happen if a bad guy suddenly jumped out of a corner and you have to shoot head-on, stand sideways?
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The Japanese run two separate atomic projects just because the Army and Navy refused to share data. That's pretty stupid.

Stripping down a Zero to ram a B-29 is also pretty stupid. Making a complete assortment of machine guns that need oiling is also stupid, just like creating a Japanese semi-auto pistol.

Most stupid: Balloon Bomb. Then V2, right alongside the sticky bomb. I mean, at least the sticky bomb worked...
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Possibly the Pistol, automatic, Type 94 ?

The normally restrained Ian V Hogg referred to this one as ' Astonishing....a monstrosity....capable of being fired by simply grasping it carelessly.....the Type 94 is, in my estimation, a prominent contender for the title of worst military pistol ever issued'.....( 'Encyclopedia Of Infantry Wepons Of WWII'. )
I have fired one of these pistols NO accuracy and like mos tJapanese weapons of the time NO safty oh and you squeeze it wrong and it goes off.
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i have always thort that the british officer's ww2 side arm wos pritty sad
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