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Exclamation Landkreuzer P. 1000 Ratte

What the heck is this? What if this beast of a tank acaully became apart of the German army?

How well do you think it would perform agianst other tanks? :/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Landkreuzer_P._1000_Ratte
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Landkre...._1500_Monster
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A sure sign of insanity. As a weapons system it would have proved absolutely worthless. First, it would be unable to move by road or cross major rivers as neither any road or bridge would support it. It likely could not have even operated on anything but hard ground. Moving near buildings would have very likely caused damage to them just from ground vibration.
Its enemies would have struck it with artillery and aircraft not to mention just shooting it up with vastly superior numbers of guns, tanks, and other systems that were produced in abundance.
It reminds me of an old science fiction board game called Ogre. One player had the "Ogre" this huge supposedly unstoppable tank-like vehicle. The other side had what one might call "conventional" tanks, artillery, etc. Against anyone but a complete fool the Ogre always lost.
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"A smoke curtain a day keeps the nazi tank blind anyway"
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Could it have done any damage to the opposing armies.. hypthetically? like if it got the first shot
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But what was the intent of the behemoth? Shooting at tanks, fortifications, cities? What was it's rate of fire? How much fuel did it consume per 100kms (implying how big would the logistical train be)? How long would it take to travel those 100kms? Through what roads / bridges?

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A correct statement about something from Sci-Fi. Read the "Hammers Slammers" series, All about their multi-tri-barreled guns on their hovercraft.
A fun thought but, what were they thinking? Really? Them and the Japanese as well with their Yamato/Musashi. Did they actually believe they would do a "Chilvilary type Joust" with something smaller, and be able to decimate one opponent after another, one on one?
No. Once spotted, they would be decimated by something they were not designed to compete against. Not fair, I know, but what in war is?
Perfect targets for "Jabos", "Engineers", and I doubt they would have gotten the chance to get close enough (because of logistics/support/protection/detection), to combat enemy tanks.
P-47s/IL-2s/Typhoons were cruising above the airspace of Patton and the rest of the "Boys". At the first sign of trouble (and "trouble" these would be), wave after wave would pound it to dust.
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it does has AA defence.. but yeah I soppose

Dang.. I wish to see a tank bigger than the Maus(?) and the Tiger II

Is there any other Experimental tanks that couldv'e been good?
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Ah, why use fighter bombers with their puny 500 lb bombs on something that big and immobile? Lets just drop a tallboy on it from 20,000 feet. No AA fire to sweat, and with a decent bomb aimer using a STABS no way to miss. :P
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If we are on what-if territory, why not a Tallboy with TV terminal guidance?

The Americans had a glide bomb with that by that time.
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Default Re: Landkreuzer P. 1000 Ratte

I found one more link:
YouTube - Landkreuzer P1000 "Ratte", the ultimative war machine!

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A sure sign of insanity. As a weapons system it would have proved absolutely worthless. First, it would be unable to move by road or cross major rivers as neither any road or bridge would support it. It likely could not have even operated on anything but hard ground. Moving near buildings would have very likely caused damage to them just from ground vibration.
Its enemies would have struck it with artillery and aircraft not to mention just shooting it up with vastly superior numbers of guns, tanks, and other systems that were produced in abundance.
I don't agree, why would it need roads or even bridges? It would just drive forward crushing trees, buildings, and crossing rivers without bridges . And with armor 150-300mm enemies could shoot in it with normal guns and the bullets would be just bounced away. I think one this tank, and they have France, two more and they have USSR, they would have to build twice as big tank to cross the La Manche driving on the bottom of it, but then the Great Britain would surrender . Germans sure had amazing and unbelievable ideas, and sometimes stupid. But I would like to see this tank in action, and in reality.
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Seriously resq, this vehicle would have been destroyed even before it left Germany.
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Naw I would prefer the BOLO Mark XXXIII .
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That has to be the most dumbest idea ever. Even beats that silly Maus prototype they had.

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At least the Maus made it farther then this Nazi wet dream.
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You lnow what, the Nazis should have just built a few Panzer Divisions worth of these;


Dont have a clue what it is but I googled what JCF said and this was one of the results.
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Watch it, some people here might actually believe this horsesh.t
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Joe. Its one of my favorite series of Military SciFi books .

"A Bolo is a fictional type of artificially intelligent super-heavy tank. They were first imagined by Keith Laumer, and have since been featured in science fiction novels and short stories by him and others."

Bolo (tank - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia)

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Keith Laumer? A great airmodel designer

I once built one of his creations, the Twin Lizzie !

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Seriously resq, this vehicle would have been destroyed even before it left Germany.
Well it depends on when it would be ready for action :P. But seriously I was joking about all this things like beating Soviets with 2 tanks, and crossing La Manche canal. But still I think Landkreuzer was interesting idea, but I would call it more like driving bunker, or fort on wheels, not tank. And it couldn't be used like typical tank.

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That has to be the most dumbest idea ever. Even beats that silly Maus prototype they had.
I don't agree, I think the most dumbest idea was making V3 rocket lunching pads inside the mountains, where they couldn't be moved to change direction The rockets would land almost in the same place all the time.
But I think they had many good ideas either, for instance first turbo jet fighter, shame on Hitler for complicating this whole weapon, or moving factories underground.

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Lol YouTube - P1500 the real one
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Default Re: Landkreuzer P. 1000 Ratte

About the tallboy being dropped on it, it would obviously have fighter cover....

Germany would have probably diverted the entire Luftwaffe to protecting it.

They would it on the eastern front were it is need the most and it would pretty much own the open flat areas, crush trees in it's path, and blow away masses of Russian armor with it's multiple turrets.
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I wouldn't even bother destroying it. Think about all the stuff this monster would need in order to keep running...

It could be an even bigger success for the Allies than the Me163 or the V2.
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About the tallboy being dropped on it, it would obviously have fighter cover....

Germany would have probably diverted the entire Luftwaffe to protecting it.

They would it on the eastern front were it is need the most and it would pretty much own the open flat areas, crush trees in it's path, and blow away masses of Russian armor with it's multiple turrets.
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