Tank and Tracked Vehicle Resource link

zippo · #1 (**permalink**) July 16th, 2007, 05:15 AM

I haven't seen this link posted, although I am sure most of the older Rouges probably have seen it. I just thought it was pretty impressive for quick technical information on various tracked vehicles, tanks, self propelled artillery, etc.

several of the descriptions have penetration data for the main gun as well as pictures and blueprints.

Tanks & Vehicles Database

Von Poop · #2 (**permalink**) July 16th, 2007, 10:35 AM

Nice one Zippo,
That's an excellent & handy visual list.
Looks like the intention is to eventually gather video, documents etc. under each vehicle. a worthwhile project.

Cheers,
Adam.

FramerT · #3 (**permalink**) July 16th, 2007, 05:50 PM

Yes, nice site Zippo. Something I was noticing there.....the fuel mileages. I've
always like the look of the M23 Chaffee but for the light weight,it sure was a gas guzzler.
Weight:18,000 kilograms. Fuel capacity:500 liters. Range: 160 miles = 3 liters per mile.

The typical Sherman M4A1: Weight: 30,000. Fuel capacity:660 liters. Range: 160 miles = 4 liters per mile.

German StuG III or Sturm 42[my favs.] Weight: 23,000. Fuel capacity: 310 liters. Range: 155 miles =2 liters per mile.

German Panther. Weight:44,000. Fuel capacity: 700. Range: 250 miles= 3liters per mile.
That's if these figures are correct. Has me thinking the amount of time it took to refuel a 500 liter gas tank, not to mention refueling an amored division and the logistics to feed them.

Slipdigit · #4 (**permalink**) July 16th, 2007, 06:03 PM

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4 liters per mile.

That's almost 1 US gal to the mile for the M4, and I guess under ideal conditions on pavement. Can you imagine the fuel consumption under "less than ideal" conditions, say on soft dirt or mud with someone shooting at you, while dodging trees, gulleys, houses and other obstructions?

For the Panther and the Chafee, it'd be around 3/4 gallon per mile.

Peppy · #5 (**permalink**) July 16th, 2007, 06:49 PM

Great site. Pretty sure the guy that runs that site (Tarrif) is a member here. He has collected a huge amount of great information, just spent 2 hours there. Not too sure how he gets around the copyright issue though?

T. A. Gardner · #6 (**permalink**) July 16th, 2007, 07:38 PM

It would be alot more useful if there were references to where the data was obtained. In particular, I have alot of doubts about the armor penetration values given.

Otto · #7 (**permalink**) July 16th, 2007, 07:47 PM

I agree 100% Terry. Here is a little secret, I'm putting together a WWII research portal/DB at ww2.org. Lots of great information, collected and sourced in a professional manner. Those who'd like to contribute should let me know.

zippo · #8 (**permalink**) July 16th, 2007, 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by T. A. Gardner

It would be alot more useful if there were references to where the data was obtained. In particular, I have alot of doubts about the armor penetration values given.

Yeah, sadly it is lacking in bibliography info. I was like a kid in the candy store when I saw it though.

"which one next, which one next?"

Slipdigit · #9 (**permalink**) July 17th, 2007, 12:49 AM

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there were references to where the data was obtained

That is one of the problems I have with my postings and why I don't post more meaty diatribes. I don't like to make broad historical statements without giving data to support it. Furthermore, I don't like giving data (as opposed to opinion) without attribution. It is a pain to go back and find sources, so I tend not post nearly as often as I would like.

Most of the time I forget to add sources, but the intent is there. Maybe I will get better at it one day. My wife gripes about the books laying about my desk that I have been digging through looking for an odd sentence I read 5 years ago to support a point and/or to make sure I read it correctly.

T. A. Gardner · #10 (**permalink**) July 17th, 2007, 02:05 AM

Otto, you can PM me with your wish list. You might be surprised what I can come up with on some subjects.

zippo · #11 (**permalink**) July 17th, 2007, 02:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Slipdigit

My wife gripes about the books laying about my desk that I have been digging through looking for an odd sentence I read 5 years ago to support a point and/or to make sure I read it correctly.

I have to look over stacks of books and magazines to see my monitor.

It's the one area the "better half" is not allowed to "tidy" up, as I would be thrown out whack for weeks.

..I have an organization system going, but I'm not sure what it is.

T. A. Gardner · #12 (**permalink**) July 17th, 2007, 02:11 PM

Maybe you should try mine zippo: A place for everything and its place is anywhere......Or, so it would appear.

nuvolari · #13 (**permalink**) July 17th, 2007, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by FramerT

Yes, nice site Zippo. Something I was noticing there.....the fuel mileages. I've
always like the look of the M23 Chaffee but for the light weight,it sure was a gas guzzler.
Weight:18,000 kilograms. Fuel capacity:500 liters. Range: 160 miles = 3 liters per mile.

The typical Sherman M4A1: Weight: 30,000. Fuel capacity:660 liters. Range: 160 miles = 4 liters per mile.

German StuG III or Sturm 42[my favs.] Weight: 23,000. Fuel capacity: 310 liters. Range: 155 miles =2 liters per mile.

German Panther. Weight:44,000. Fuel capacity: 700. Range: 250 miles= 3liters per mile.
That's if these figures are correct. Has me thinking the amount of time it took to refuel a 500 liter gas tank, not to mention refueling an amored division and the logistics to feed them.

Especially when most of it has to be filtered thru a chamois leather !

Joe · #14 (**permalink**) July 17th, 2007, 03:43 PM

Great find! I spent a while on that site.

**Gerry Chester** · #15 (**permalink**) July 18th, 2007, 02:22 PM

Hi Zippo,

Unfortunately what has the potential to be a useful resource is questionable. When there are errors in a subject on which one is familiar, the question comes to mind are there others elsewhere?

The drawing depicting a Churchill Mark IV is of a Mark III and those of it and the Mark III are depicted with camouflage not worn.

Cheers,
Gerry

AlloySkull · #16 (**permalink**) July 20th, 2007, 01:42 PM

Here's a great site if you're looking for profile drawings of all kinds of German, US, British and a lot of other armor, including tons of tanks, half-tracks, armored cars, artillery, mobile flak guns and the like. It has all different variants of each, and the artist is really quite good.

It's worth the time to check out. There's also numerous other information, and other drawings as well.

WW2 German Armoured Vehicles

This links to the German armor, which is the section I have bookmarked.