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Old August 26th, 2007, 06:51 PM
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I am familiar with the Nebel discharger mounted on the Tiger. Did other services use anything similar or just MGs?
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The British at first used smoke dischargers on their tanks, see here

1.JmA - Pics from down under 2

in one of the Matildas and on the Lt.Tk. Mk VI.

Excellent collection, by the way. And there's some text from one certain T.A.Gardner
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There is also smoke discharges on the Daimler Armoured car.
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Challenger 2 has a system that diverts oil across the engine manifold (not sure how) to produce clouds of black smoke, does anyone know if this system has been used before (particularly in WW2)?
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Old August 27th, 2007, 10:27 PM
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Yes, the T-54 or T-55 pioneered that, but being the good guys (depending on point of view ) they produced white smoke spewing out the engine exhaust on the left side.

Aren't we digressing from WW2?
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HO? Are you referring to the S-Mine dispensers fitted for a brief while on Tigers rather than the smoke dischargers? i.e. systems having a somewhat more 'offensive' means of local defence?
(brief mention of the S-mine weapon on this interesting page about the Nahverteidigungswaffe,)

If that is what you mean then discarding systems like T34-Calliope, Panzerwerfer, and their ilk on the basis of too long range I'm scratching my head... Does my favourite carrier modification with 14 PIATs mounted up count?
(Though I'm still not clear on how the Canadians actually used them I don't really think the intention was a defensive one, so they don't really fit the bill, I just like the picture. )



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Wht the 'ell is that, the land version of the Hedgehog antisubmarine mortar?
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Default Re: Armor Defense

I have also got pictures of a Matilda I with smoke dischargers, and also a Tetrach, and the Tiger on my desktop background has smoke dischargers.
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HO? Are you referring to the S-Mine dispensers fitted for a brief while on Tigers rather than the smoke dischargers? i.e. systems having a somewhat more 'offensive' means of local defence?
(brief mention of the S-mine weapon on this interesting page about the Nahverteidigungswaffe,)

If that is what you mean then discarding systems like T34-Calliope, Panzerwerfer, and their ilk on the basis of too long range I'm scratching my head... Does my favourite carrier modification with 14 PIATs mounted up count?
(Though I'm still not clear on how the Canadians actually used them I don't really think the intention was a defensive one, so they don't really fit the bill, I just like the picture. )



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I was under the impression that the Tiger could lay down anti personnel charges(grenades) from a launcher mounted on the turret and that smoke grenades could be discharged as well.
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You're right, at a later part the Nahverteidigungswaffe was introduced, a turret mounted mortar fired from inside the turret.

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HO read that link that Za & I have posted.
It covers the Tiger subject in detail.
Still trying to think of other vehicle mounted mine/grenade systems, Wonder if 'Snake' (launched or pushed tubes of explosive for clearing minefields) counts?
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I'm surprised, what does this Engineer's mine clearing device has to do with smoke generation systems? Is it because of the dust raised?
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As I found it hard to believe that anyone with even a passing interest in WW2 tech would ask if Smoke dischargers were only fitted to Tigers, I presumed the query might have been directed towards less obvious/unusual weaponry such as mines and grenades rather than those commonly fitted smoke tubes, or the strangely pleasing smoke candle devices often seen on the back of German AFV's.

I presumed wrong .

Ah well, still finding it interesting trying to think of other 'sub weapons' mounted to ww2 vehicles.

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On Close combat, A Bridge too far, I think (well, it's been years since i played it) The JagdTiger has some turret mounted mortars too. Well, it's just a game, but it might be true.
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HO read that link that Za & I have posted.
It covers the Tiger subject in detail.
Still trying to think of other vehicle mounted mine/grenade systems, Wonder if 'Snake' (launched or pushed tubes of explosive for clearing minefields) counts?
Your later post aside, I was interested in what "other weapons" similar to the grenade/smoke discharger on the Tiger that other countries armor had and if they were successful, novelties, or counterproductive. Perhaps poor wording on my part.
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S0ome Shermans had 2" mortars on their turrets, but I don't know about their arrangements.
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Odball's Shermans in Kelly's Heroes had speakers fitted to the turret.

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That did not produce smoke, only hot air
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Another 'useful' addition to Odball's tanks where paint shells-"It makes pretty pictures"
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