So if they were tank-killers they were no longer APC's right, they became a motorized antitank gun (actually GMC - Gun Motor Carriage) on a chassis common with the infantry carriers (APC).

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[quote=scarface;249582]OK, Poop - I see what you're talking about.... it brings to mind a conversation I had with my dad once while we were watching some WWII flick - the scene showed a Sherman tank advancing, with a bunch of infantrymen crouched over and shuffling behind it... one of the guys was even talking on a handset to the tank crew (did they really HAVE that feature????). Anyway, I asked dad if he ever did that, and he looked at me like I was from another planet.

"Behind a SHERMAN???? You've got to be kidding???? No way.....




.....they drew fire! We were always glad to see 'em come, but we sure didn't want to be anywhere near 'em when they did!"

I thought that was an interesting perspective.

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-Lou


I remember something like that in John Wayne's Sands of Iwo Jima.

Anyway, some more sites you can visit.
APC Ram Kangaroo - Google Image Search

So the vehicles used as tank-killers became motorised gun carriers (actually GMC - Gun Motor Carriage) on a common chassis to the regular infantry carriers.

What mattered here was the cross-country ability of the vehicles, which made them useful for a number of roles other than APCs.

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You probably saw that tank/phone on the Sands of Iwo Jima, when they told that flame tank where to fire.
Wireless for the Warrior. Additions Supplement No. 5.

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That was a great link, Framer - thanks for that - loved the American superheavy - I don't want to hijack this APC thread, so I'm going to start a new one.

Great link with good pics for us 'unenlightened' ones.

Thanks for the link!

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-Lou

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Not sure I understand,Za. Just from memory, if the M3 turned it's gun to the side,it would lift the tracks off the ground. If you missed, being soft-skinned, you stood a good chance
of being hit[and destroyed] if the German spotted you.

Why do they call it a 'Wireless Set No. 19"..... and then show wiring diagrams, plug connections and sockets????

What am I missing, here???



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-Lou

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Ya got me man.
Why do they call that thing the little woman does to her hair once a month/(2) that costs 100+ bucks a "permanent"?
I'd guess because it connects to the intercom system (without a separate wire to each guy).
Things were revolutionary/primitive back then.
My Uncle said they just kicked the driver in the left shoulder when they wanted him to turn left, because you couldn't hear the voices in the intercom above the engine/gunfire/airplanes, other battlefield noises.

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'Wireless' is a british term for 'Radio'. Still used by many.
The number 19 set is one of the primary British radio sets of the war, these later remote systems connect through the radio/wireless's intercom system to communicate with the crew.

The ORIGINAL Wireless Set No. 19 Group

Cheers,
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I think it was Hans von Luck, as I remember that said the Germans were using Hanomags with 75mm pak as tanks, also other sources about Soldaten requesting armor support and surprised to see the half tracks pulling up.

Americans did have that variant as well as the 105mm, A veteran acquaintance of mine was in one of those, Meat Choppers(Ballantines Paperbacks) quad .50s in the Ardennes, he said they literally cut down those Grenadiers in half. He's 89, looks like he's 65 and could still fit into his old uniform, one tough guy.

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While looking at this rather pleasing little site of 3d models I noticed yet another German vehicle I'd not seen before (will it ever end). Project relating to possibly the first plan for a dedicated APC.
Based on the 38(t) chassis:

Kätzchen (Kitten?)


Cheers,
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Is there anything the 38(t) chassis can't do?

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Caption reads: Laxatives caused an elephant called Stefan to release an out-pouring of poo, burying it's pitiful trainer alive.

Interesting site, I didn't know 3d digital models from Blitzkrieg commanded such a price on the market

The Kätzchen, I have seen this before or a modern version of it by Steyr? or Bussing? in Janes, years ago. Something similar was used for troop carrier then Roland platform. Wiesel or Fuchs maybe?

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Most of the factors considering the APCs of WWII have been hit upon here so there is little to do but ask a question about the German Hanomag. Did they ever solve the problem of maintenance? I heard they had to change the plugs from underneath.

German half tracks were in general complex maintenance nightmares. The tracks used lubricated roller pin bushed links that had to be regularly greased...greasing every link on both sides regularly! The use of torsion bars and interleaved suspensions added huge complexity and alot of maintenance hours.
This doesn't even count the complex transmissions used or engine maintenance. The vehicles were just way too over engineered for mass production and warfare.

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I know a little about the techniques used to manufacture a Tiger as opposed to a T-34 and have seen the differences closeup. It is very true that the Russians did not pay much attention to the "dress up" of their creations. The edges of the armored slabs used on the hulls for example had no touchup done on them, they were simply welded together and sent out the door. I can see what the Russians mean when the say "quantity has a quality all it's own". This excessive engineering can even be seen in Mercedes cars to this day. I have a friend that owns one and he says every time he opens the hood it costs him $500.

I don't think that manpower would be a problem considering the troops in them had an iterest in their up keep also, the logistics is another thing though. I bet there was a lot of treads worn out because of the lack of grease.

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Some Portugese Grizzly 'kangaroos'
Sherman Register - Sherman APCs
With just a hint of Skink .


Here's a very early APC concept that cropped up recently on WW2t's 'Name that Vehicle' thread,
French Laffly S15 TOE from 1934, c.25 completed with a capacity to carry 8 infantrymen:


Cheers,
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