Soldiers with captured firearms

Sturmkreuz · #1 (**permalink**) November 21st, 2007, 06:00 PM

POST HERE YOUR PHOTOS OF
SOLDIERS WITH CAPTURED FIREARMS (BEUTEWAFFEN):

I'll start.. Shouldn't explain you easy can see which weapons these are.
(Vehicles may too)

Joe · #2 (**permalink**) November 21st, 2007, 06:03 PM

Do French Resistance fighters armed with MP40s or K98s count?

Sturmkreuz · #3 (**permalink**) November 21st, 2007, 06:05 PM

Yes. I don't think that the German would suply them like the allied did

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Sturmkreuz · #4 (**permalink**) November 22nd, 2007, 03:00 PM

American Soldier With K98K

Sturmkreuz · #5 (**permalink**) November 22nd, 2007, 06:18 PM

Joe, Where are your photographs since I've didn't saw one yet (of "Resistance de la France" with MP40's and K98k)

Some more:

Again easy to recognize which weapons:

Sturmkreuz · #6 (**permalink**) November 24th, 2007, 10:02 AM

1st: German Soldier with captured French MG697
2nd: American Soldier with many captured firearms (MP40....)

Sturmkreuz · #7 (**permalink**) November 24th, 2007, 11:02 AM

1st: German soldier of the Polizei-Bataillon 51 using a captured French Hotchkiss machine gun. (source: Von Zarnick Archive)

2nd: German Soldier with SVT-40

Sturmkreuz · #8 (**permalink**) November 24th, 2007, 12:55 PM

1st: SS-Soldiers with a MG37
2nd: German Soldiers with MG37
3d: German Soldier with PPSH-41

FramerT · #9 (**permalink**) November 24th, 2007, 01:50 PM

http://domania.us/FramerT/misc.5/capture1.jpg

http://domania.us/FramerT/misc.5/capture2.jpg

The captured Shermans made for good "prime-movers" to recover broke down Tigers or Panthers.

Sturmkreuz · #10 (**permalink**) November 24th, 2007, 01:56 PM

Nice Pictures !! Never saw them before.

Joe · #11 (**permalink**) November 24th, 2007, 04:55 PM

And, Some Germans with a Vickers.

Australians with a Japanese AT Gun.

An 88 under new owners.

Ps-No French Resistance with MP40s yet...

Sturmkreuz · #12 (**permalink**) November 24th, 2007, 05:00 PM

Thanks. Never saw the first one and Flak 88 under Brittish control !! Thank you Joe

**SouthWestPacificVet** · #13 (**permalink**) December 25th, 2007, 03:02 PM

The photo of the germans with the .50 is interesting, not sure why they would want to carry the carbines unless they had nothing else to fight with.

~~PactOfSteel~~ · #14 (**permalink**) January 17th, 2008, 08:35 PM

I tend to think the Russians up until the AK-47 which even then was a rip off the the Sturmgewehr 44 had poor weapons, they just had a lot of them is all. But the PPSh-41 was a great sub-machinegun, it had a longer range than it's Axis and Allied counterparts, it packed great firepower, one round in the chest would most likely kill you with its high caliber rounds.
German Wehrmacht soldier using it instead of the MP40.

YouTube - PPSh 41 Shpagin/Spagin firing

Stefan · #15 (**permalink**) January 17th, 2008, 09:09 PM

Got to wade in here to say that arguably the Moisin Nagant was the equal of it's allied counterparts, what it laced in finess it made up for in ease of use and robustness (a friend of mine was having problems with his wartime MN, he was informed they were due to him keeping it too clean).

Incidentally, regarding the AK being a rip off of the MP44 family, again not exactly the case. The mechanism is rather different they just happen to look similar, it was the principle of a rifle firing a short cartridge that was ground breaking and incorporated into the AK.

~~PactOfSteel~~ · #16 (**permalink**) January 17th, 2008, 09:22 PM

design does look very similar though but I guess the machanism is different.

schizuki · #17 (**permalink**) January 18th, 2008, 06:21 AM

Agree with Stefan, the Moisin-Nagant was a sturdy, reliable weapon, as was the Maxim. Their pistols left much to be desired, but pistols are generally irrelevant in combat.

Russian small arms in WWII were more than adequate.

Stefan · #18 (**permalink**) January 18th, 2008, 12:18 PM

I don't know, the tokarev did the job. Also worth keeping in mind the Russian attitude was that officers shouldn't need weapons because they were there to set an example, not to shoot at people.

Pact, I'm fairly certain someone more knowledgeable can come to my ai here but as I understand it the reason for the similarity is roughly this. The MP44 family were designed so as to be fired accurately from a variety of firing positions, the shape of the weapon was thought out so that the force from the recoil would be channelled down the body and spread more evenly than on more traditional rifles. This would allow more accurate shooting in both automatic and repitition. Thus the original design took the butt shape more traditional in SMG's (compare to the thompson for example), with their downward angle as opposed to the straight stock of a bolt action rifle. Klashnikov clearly thought this wasn't a bad idea and imitated it, can't say I blame him.

krieg · #19 (**permalink**) March 5th, 2008, 07:06 AM

would this be right that if a soldier got caught with a german lugar they
would be shot with this wepon ??

**Ron Goldstein** · #20 (**permalink**) March 5th, 2008, 07:14 AM

Kriegfilms

As a British soldier serving in Italy I can only remember one occasion when I had an "un-authorised weapon"

The first entry in my diary reminds me when I found it:

Monday 16th. April 1945
Early morning move. Watched eytie squad burying some tedeschi dead.
Found Jerry rifle & ammo in the wood. Cpl.Boreman fixing the
charging engine.

The second entry reminds me when I got rid of it !

Sunday 22nd. April 1945
Woke to find mortar crew right at my head inyard right in front of
casa. Rations came up with T.R's kit (?). More prisoners. Slung
my 'spare' rifle. Moved into fields.

Joe · #21 (**permalink**) April 10th, 2008, 11:49 AM

Reviving the thread.

Just found this rather nice piccy.

Quote:

Sergeant V.R. Francis, 19th Field Regiment, Royal Canadian Artillery (R.C.A.), displaying a German 88mm anti-tank rocket launcher (Panzerschreck) discovered at a captured German radar station, France. (16 June, 1944)