WWII small arms - Page 4

Hufflepuff · #76 (**permalink**) March 30th, 2008, 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by wlee15

The M-60 is 7.62 NATO but the M-16 uses 5.56 NATO rounds.

Oh, okay, then that part is wrong. I probably got the M-16 ammo confused with the M-14 ammo (which is .30 caliber).

Tomcat · #77 (**permalink**) March 30th, 2008, 11:26 PM

M60 SAW

JCFalkenbergIII · #78 (**permalink**) March 31st, 2008, 12:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Hufflepuff

Are you sure about the 5.56mm? I read and looked up that the M-60 is .30 cal

Most positively

The M-60 and the M-14 use 7.62x51 mm NATO (.308 Winchester) rounds. And the M-16 the 5.56x45mm (.223 Remington), M193 round.

Tony Williams · #79 (**permalink**) March 31st, 2008, 02:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Hufflepuff

M-60 and MG-42:

Similarities:

A: Both have a pistol-style hand grip underneath a bipod mounted barrel.
B: Both are fully automatic squad weapons (AKA, one or two per squad).
C: Both are belt-fed.
D: Both use the same ammunition as thier riflemen comrades; the M-60 and the M-16 both take 7.62mm rounds, and the MG-42 and Kar-98K both take 7.92mm rounds.

Differences:

A: The M-60 uses a 7.62mm cartridge, or .30 caliber, smaller than the 7.92mm Mauser round used by the MG-42 and German infantry rifles.
B: The MG-42 has a much faster rate of fire than the MG-42.
C: The MG-42 can in some instances be equipped with telescopic sights, allowing engagements of over a mile. This was not possible with the M-60.
D: The obvious, such as nationality, designers, producers, etc etc etc.

You missed the most important difference: that they use entirely different operating mechanisms, based on entirely different principles.

The M60 is gas-operated: there's a hole part-way down the barrel from which some of the propellant gas is tapped off into a cylinder running parallel with the barrel. This gas drives a piston down the barrel, and this in turn drives the operating mechanism.

The MG 42 is recoil-operated: each time the gun fires, the recoil causes the barrel and action to recoil in the receiver. After a few millimetres, the bolt is unlocked from the barrel by disengaging roller-locking devices which link the two, the barrel is stopped and the bolt continues rearwards by itself to complete the loading cycle.

That's about as different as MG actions can get.

Mibo · #80 (**permalink**) March 31st, 2008, 04:19 AM

Damn, i have seen a picture of a scope on a MG42. And not one of those range finders, a sniper-rifles scope. Ill see if i can dig it up for you guys.

Edit:

Double Damn, i was wrong. It was those telescopic/ranger finder sights. I should learn not to object the facts told on this forum.

*Click it*
Heres the pic, thought you guys might get a kick out of it anyway.

It is from the Eastern Front.

P.S That is a great set of photos from the eastern front, check the album.

wlee15 · #81 (**permalink**) March 31st, 2008, 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by tomcat

M60 SAW

That's actually the M249 SAW a licensed version of the FN MINIMI the current squad level weapon of the US (and a good portion of NATO as well).

Canberra ManRhWS3C · #82 (**permalink**) April 3rd, 2008, 05:27 PM

In the Royal Artillery (NS) I fired the Enfield and the Sten. My Enfield was zero'd to me as I was in the Regimental team, we missed going to Bisley by one point! At 200 yards I could get a 2" group, ten rounds rapid I regularly got a 4" group. I did not like the Sten! I did not fire the Bren until my RAF service. One thing that niggled me, I had my marksman badge in the Army and the RAF, the Army 1s 2p, (6p) per day but the RAF didn't pay anything!

Ken

Hufflepuff · #83 (**permalink**) April 4th, 2008, 02:04 AM

My grandfather was in the Army in the 1950s (and was a cop for over 35 years afterwards) and fired many weapons from WWII. He said that the M1 Garand rifle was excellent, but the M1 Carbine was not as good; he said it couldn't hit anything, it was so much less accurate. I asked him wether the Grease Gun or the Thompson was better, and he replied that the Thompson was much better, but the Thompson jammed if you fired it for too long and that you could shoot the Grease Gun practically all day long.

Shockwavesoldier · #84 (**permalink**) April 4th, 2008, 02:11 AM

I wish I could own my own gun, I have never fired any guns from WWII. Only Shotguns.

Hufflepuff · #85 (**permalink**) April 4th, 2008, 02:34 AM

It is the same with me; I don't own any guns myself, but I have shot a .22 Model 63 Winchester rifle, a 16-guage shotgun, my aunt's service Glock 19 pistol, the Smith and Wesson .38 police revolver, and a Henry Rifle-style .22 lever-action rifle.

montana a-10 · #86 (**permalink**) April 4th, 2008, 05:16 AM

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Hufflepuff · #88 (**permalink**) April 28th, 2008, 04:08 PM

For all of you who still want this up (and I doubt that is many people), if you can upload images of your weapons or anything of intrest, that would be outstanding.

Huffen

**Ron Goldstein** · #89 (**permalink**) April 28th, 2008, 05:08 PM

Only while I'm thinking about it...........

On our "sister" site we had a thread relating to small arms that threw up some some interesting bits & pieces:

What's your shooting like? - World War 2 Talk

Hufflepuff · #90 (**permalink**) April 28th, 2008, 09:09 PM

Thanks Ron

oldiron · #91 (**permalink**) May 1st, 2008, 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Hufflepuff

For all of you who still want this up (and I doubt that is many people), if you can upload images of your weapons or anything of intrest, that would be outstanding.

Huffen

last year had the chance to shoot a wartime manufactured 1911 government colt of a fried of mine in switzerland ...

he is a retired officer of the swiss army with a huge collection of WW2 US equipment and also arms

i was really surprised about the recoil - can´t say anything about accuracy coz i'm a lousy marksman - fired one whole mag (think 7 rounds) and was amzed about the craftmanship of the colt ...

originally i´m from Germany with lots of restrictions concerning handguns and especially auto-guns - like my swiss pal i also collect WW2 US Mil-equipment and without arms such a collection is incomplete!

i own a M1 Garand, M1 Carbine, Thompson M1928 and Thompson M1A1 - all of them deactivated but in very good condition!

my absolute fav. is the M1928 due to the high end finish of the parts and high end manufacturing in common -hope somewhen i will get the chance to really shoot with a life-fire one - is a ex-belgian Army Thompson in almost like new condition except the deactivation ...

see attached pics of my small collection ...

Hufflepuff · #92 (**permalink**) May 1st, 2008, 03:39 PM

Cool pictures, thanks for posting!

ValkyrieKatrina · #93 (**permalink**) May 4th, 2008, 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Tomcat

M60 SAW

this is an m-249 not an M-60

if someone else already caught this then I am sorry for the redundant post!

Slipdigit · #94 (**permalink**) May 4th, 2008, 06:09 PM

Jump on in there and keep us straight, Katrina.

psst...it was a post or two below, but that is alright.

ValkyrieKatrina · #95 (**permalink**) May 4th, 2008, 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Slipdigit

Jump on in there and keep us straight, Katrina.

thanks Jeff! this looks like a pretty cool forum...lots to read and talk about here. small arms are my specialty

Sack Time · #96 (**permalink**) May 10th, 2008, 09:42 PM

Well, I've only really fired 3 WW2 era weapons, the M1 carbine and a Walther P-38. Those were accurate, reliable weapons, but the 1903 Springfield is my fave. Man, I wish I could shoot some of the guns mentioned by others here! Especially the FG42. Come to think of it, I'm not sure I'd wanna fire that beast!

Hufflepuff · #97 (**permalink**) May 11th, 2008, 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Sack Time

Well, I've only really fired 3 WW2 era weapons, the M1 carbine and a Walther P-38. Those were accurate, reliable weapons, but the 1903 Springfield is my fave. Man, I wish I could shoot some of the guns mentioned by others here! Especially the FG42. Come to think of it, I'm not sure I'd wanna fire that beast!

I would like to shoot it because it is an intresting weapon, but I wouldnt want to use it in combat due to the muzzle flash and the recoil. Still an intresting gun and design for it though.