Also well said: "The Germans displayed that particular brand of arrant stupidity in declaring war to two great powers at the same time."

And so it goes, ever and ever, round and round, till all juvenile egos are massaged enough.

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So we went to July before having another go at this...

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Yup. I guess some just love to try and compare things to death LOL.

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For the first time I have seen "History" at close quarters,and I know that its actual process is very different from what is presented to Posterity. - WWI General Max Hoffman.

I would agree that German weapons were surperior but some weapons from Russia like the PPSH were better then other Sub-Machine Guns from the German army like the MP-40

Someone shoot me...


Its funny... British troops loved the MP40. Loads robbed them and used them. The Germans loved the sten as you could fire it prone and used them whenever they could.

I guess the grass is always greener...


Personally I wasnt in WW2 using them so I wouldnt know. But I know they are all much of a muchness...

I think some people play too much Call of Duty.

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OK, just my two sense worth but....
I have fired a K98 and a Lee Enfield. Both are weapons someone in my family uses every year to go hunting with. That said, when sighting in our scopes both rifles can place a group of three within the size of a quarter at 100 yards. Now I ask, How much more accurate does your rifle need to get?

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"Like so many of our people, we have now had a personal experience of German barbarity which only strengthens the resolution of all of us to fight through to final victory."-King George VI
"Casualties many; Percentage of dead not known; Combat efficiency; we are winning."-Colonel David M. Shoup-Saipan

Thats cheating LOL. How well do you do WITHOUT scopes? 99.9% of the soldiers in WWII had to use thier good ole Eyeball Mark Is.

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For the first time I have seen "History" at close quarters,and I know that its actual process is very different from what is presented to Posterity. - WWI General Max Hoffman.

Well, in High School they where good enough to make the rifle team if the roster hadn't been full.

However, my point was too prove that accuracy counts only so far.

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"Casualties many; Percentage of dead not known; Combat efficiency; we are winning."-Colonel David M. Shoup-Saipan

Make that three...don't forget the British Commonwealth!

Unless you where counting the Western Allies as one great Power. Ahem.

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Bullseye !!!

Illusions of grandeur? Do you hear voices too?

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No, I thought it was you who had the voice problem?

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And under duress. No time to hold your breath, take aim and squeeze. Much the same with the superior technological weapons having been tested in 'ideal' environments but get them out in the field and they fall apart. Not naming any Tigers or Panthers here.

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ok , the russians had a better smg than the germans in most cases, the germans had a better rifle than the russians and thats mostly from personal experince i have but this debate is gonna go on forever.

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Wow... I didnt know you was in the war!

...and on both sides too... Wow.











(Sarcasm mode off...)

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"Watch that Fu*ker, he'll 'ave someones eye out!" King Harold at Hastings 1066.

Can you explain how in strategic terms the quality or lack of it of an individual infantry weapon can influence overall victory or defeat?

By the by, the 'fact' that the German rifle was 'better' didn't help them too well in the end, or did it?

So you make these pointless and wooly-headed statements and you are surprised you receive negative feedback, am I right?

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"thats mostly from personal experince i have "

And that is?? Have you used any of those weapons in actual combat? In real life situations? In the mud,rain.snow,desert? Or perhaps in the nice safe enviroment of a firing range or something similar?

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Experience = Call of Duty 3

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"Watch that Fu*ker, he'll 'ave someones eye out!" King Harold at Hastings 1066.

well i have shot both succcesuly in rain and they both fired fine no mud ect.
i dont like to treat my ww2 rifles as i would a ak. but i have had feeding failures with the mosin nagant in the past

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