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What do you think about the Jadgpanther heavy tank destroyer?
Wikipedia.org and other resources claim it is considered the best tank destroyer of WW2.
It's great combination of firepower, good armor and mobility made it a very effective tank killer.
In one encouner 3 Jagdpanthers destroyed 11 Churchill tanks in 2 minutes, before 2 of them suffered track damage and the third retreated. Cool stuff.

Do you guys have any information on it? Can't find much about it.
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Just use the search function and youŽll find lots of info here...for instance..

Jagdpanther vs Churchills
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Not for the crews of the Churchills. From your comments, thankfully you haven't seen what happens to tank crew when a vehicle brews up. WW2 wasn't a video game...
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Not for the crews of the Churchills. From your comments, thankfully you haven't seen what happens to tank crew when a vehicle brews up. WW2 wasn't a video game...
Easy there. I only meant it's an impressive machine.
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Ok, but let's get our language in perspective when we talk about these things.
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Default Re: Jagdpanthers

the assault gun concept was never used as widely by the Germans as regular turreted tanks, even though some photos from that era might give one the impression they were all over the battlefield. The Jagdpanther was certainly good for its intended use - it was good on the defense as its main advantage, as well as its biggest weakness over the standard panther was the absence of a turret - this made for a less complex tank and a lower silhouette. After Kursk the Germans spent alot of time on the defense.

Alot of these assault guns (besides Jagdpanther there were several other types notably the Sturmgeshutz III) were either regular Panthers that had turret trouble or damage and were simply converted over, or were obsolete models like the PVKW III that had too light armor but were still useful in the assault gun role.

You see many pictures of these self-propelled (or assault) guns, some were used as self propelled artillery at times, but like i said the Germans never had very many. Most of the pictures are from late in the war (post Stalingrad) when the Germans were using every piece of armor that would still function. Also note the relative scarcity of this type of tank in modern armies, this was a concept that was viable for a few years in world war 2 until its disadvantages (no turret) made it too obsolete.
(The US Army today has the M-109, which in appearance is very similar to a WW2 assault gun. But it is basically just self-propelled artillery and is not really intended to take on a tank. Moreover its armor would not stop anything greater than a 50 caliber machine gun, if that.)
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There weren't that many assault guns? The Germans used over 10,635 various marks of the Stug III and StuH 42 from 1940-1945 along with 1,141 Stug IV.
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Default Re: Jagdpanthers

Actually, the Assault gun total production was a major issue. Especially with the introduction of the Hetzer wich would produce a vehicle with good overall protection, a gun that packed a mean punch and which a very low silhouette. Now, join this with a simplicity and you have a planed 1000 units a month.
As JC stated, the total assault gun production was 10,550 + 1,212 StuH42 + 90 ferdinands + 2,584 Hetzer + 769 Jgpz IV + 930 PzIV/70(A) + 278 PzIV/70(V)+392 JagdPanther + 77 JagdTiger for a grand total of 16,882 assorted assault guns.

The total production of German tanks was 26,925 half of which were built after 43 (13,638).
So, Assault gun production was a major deal in the German army. they created battalions and at least one division (IIRC) made up just with assault guns.


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The Jadgpanther was deployed in about a dozen seperate heavy antitank battalions that were assigned at Army level for use. These battalions rarely had their full complement of Jadgpanther and were usually mixed with Jgpz IV/L70, StuG III or, occasionally Hetzers.
These units saw service on both the Western and Eastern Fronts from mid 1944 on. Encounters with this vehicle were comparatively rare but frequently occured, as would be expected, at critical points on the front lines.
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