On my way to Shasta as a (younger) kid, we drove by the line of ships stored there. Of course, I had no idea what it was, but I was enchanted by the size and power emanating from the thing.

Only when I got involved in both history and geography, I read about World War II and installed Google Earth. I decided to look up ship museums, and I had thought the Iowa was one. Guess where I find it? Wow. I gotta visit the Hornet sometime too.

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"Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired, signifies in the final sense a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed."

That made me laugh a bit FJ. I don't think they would either.

Have you been to the Sub in the bay yet?

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I have been on the Pompano in San Fran and on the Bowfin at Pearl Harbor. There is a Liberty ship, tied up near the Pompano, the SS Jeremiah O'Brien that is also very cool to see if you get the chance.

In 1989 the Ship I was on(USS Pelilieu LHA-5) at Long Beach Naval Shipyard was tied up next to the Missouri so I got the chance to see her when she was still active. A few years ago, when I went back to Hawaii, I saw the Mo' and it was sad to see the condition she is in.

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Was the Mo' all rusted?

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It just needs some TLC. There were weeds growing up through the deck boards paint was pealing..etc. There was a big controversey over it a few years ago and I think things are better now.

Brad

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I hope it is. A ship like that needs to be loves. She should be moved in with her sister.

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thee battleships were oblesete drew frome the aircraft carrier to get war planes close to thee emeny also planes can refull close to thee action.
also thee aircraft carrier had the same power as guns and firing as thee battle ship.
thee aircraft carrier had three in one bulit in her,that made the battleship obelsete.

No...........once the air wing left the Carrier it was defenseless against surface attack, that is why they were usually part of a larger taskforce or battle group.

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Yea, its much better now. I saw the Missouri when i visited Pearl Harbor. It was a museum by then, a pretty interesting one, too.

Have yet to pay a visit to the pampanito and the hornet.

quite a couple cali boys here, eh? the texans have been blowing their horns

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"Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired, signifies in the final sense a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed."

as for the new jersey and wisconsin, those i think are pretty bad off

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Diesel engines?!! The Iowas have 600 psi steam plants using boilers driving four steam turbines.

I'd love to see diesel engines large enough to move a battleship.

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I have seen it.

The USS California.





Traveled across my pool as a plastic model with a nifty addition of a homemade miniature diesel engine, courtesy of Mr. Kelly my neighbor. Unsightly and large, but cool to have a moving model. Of course, until it sailed right into the filter and never returned...

Ok, it might not have been diesel. It was really small.

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Here you go SOAR21. I will preface this by saying : "I dislike Wikipedia; but, this is a very comprehensive article.

Iowa class battleship - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Brad

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Sorry TA, my mistake. Was thinking of something else at the time.

As for that Wikipedia link for the USS Iowa, it is reliable. I've checked it out many times and found it reliable.

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Here ya go:

http://www.bloggingwv.com/the-most-p...-in-the-world/

While these would be achingly slow, they would "fill the bill" and talk about economy! Well, in relation to hp produced and distance covered per gallon. Pretty thirsty in real terms, but inexpensive in relation to what they can move and for how far per gallon. I'm glad I was able to find that link again, interesting it is an engine design from Finland, but produced in Korea for cargo/container ships. Love the fact they left the humans in the frames for size reference.

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It's the same principle as Nuclear propulsion. The reactor doesn't make the ship move. The reactor provides the energy (Electricity) for the boiler that makes the steam.

Brad

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The reactor is used to heat water that is then pumped to a steam generator to heat secondary water that is used to turn a turbine. The reactor just replaces the boiler. It is another form of steam plant.

If anyone really wants me to I can explain in excruating detail how naval propulsion plants work seeing as how I worked on and ran them for 27 years.

You can look up some schematics for the German "H" class.

Sorry about that I meant to say "Electricty/ Heat" in reference to the diesel electric steam turbines that are used on the new USCG GLIB CGC Makinaw.

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You also have to remember that post-WWII theres been a tactical shift from massive bombing campaigns/coastal bombardment to precise, controlled engagement, and in exceptional cases where such firepower is needed, (Vietnam) long range heavy bombers are more cost effective. These days there's rarely a need for whole areas being bombed. Imagine battleships acting as indirect fire support in the Middle East; there's just too much collateral damage.

Aircraft carriers, definitely filled in the role for force projection and precision bombing for both land and sea encounters, but also highly underrated cruisers have rendered them obsolete. Their missiles, although more expensive, have the capability to strike accurately and meet the requirements of the ever more unconventional battlefield.

If I am not mistaken, most, if not all, of the US Navy's Nuclear Propulsion literature/information/technical data, etc. are still highly classified.

I would caution anyone with knowledge of said material to bear that in mind when conversing online, or anywhere else.

That may be true, but I don't think it applies to the Somalian pirates. Think about it; the pirates attack 30,000 ton freighters in 25 foot skiffs. Anyone who does that isn't going to be impressed by mere size. The fact that the Iowa can deploy more firepower than current warships is irrelevant; how much firepower does one need to destroy a 25 foot skiff, or a 100 foot mother ship? The only weapons aboard the Iowa that might reasonably be used against Somalian pirates are the 5"/38's, and even these would probably be over kill most of the time.

i do believe that america us navys nuclear information technical data is highly classifired.
any us subs that had sunk at to be atttented too before the russians or any other nations find these us subs on the seabed,the americans wanted to keepe it a secret,this was in 1970's,so i am thinking it really be sercret in our days.
i don;t blame usa for keeping all there inventions secret,looke want happend to germany ande england! smart move from thee americans in my veiws.

The only statement a battleship makes today is that it is the most costly of all naval warships and does not offer any advantages in delivering ordnance over less costly warships. Yes, battleships can launch cruise missiles but so can subs and cruisers and do it less expensively. The big guns of a battleship are severely limited in range compared to cruise missiles.

If you take six smaller surface ships; i.e. frigates, cruisers, destroyers, all of them can do whatever is necessary to destroy any pirate vessel in existence. What they can do that a battleship can't do, is be in six different places at once, which is far more important than anything a battleship can do to counter pirates.

It's ludicrous to argue that a battleship what be cost effective in fighting pirates. Every warship currently in active US Navy service is far better at countering pirates than a battleship would be.