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Default Mines and booby traps used in the Greek Civil War

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I was trying to find information about mines and booby traps in the greek civil war using the google. But i didnt find anything. Anyone knows about ?

I know that the Greek civil war was after the end of the Second world war, but there was almost the same weapons, as the members of the resistance fought against the enforcement of the king.

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I'm a new member.
I was trying to find information about mines and booby traps in the greek civil war using the google. But i didnt find anything. Anyone knows about ?

I know that the Greek civil war was after the end of the Second world war, but there was almost the same weapons, as the members of the resistance fought against the enforcement of the king.

Thank you in advance
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Speculation. The Germans pulled out of Greece in a hurry and probably left ordnance behind. The British occupied Greece after the Germans left and no doubt provided ordnance to Greek factions opposing the Communists. The Communists may have obtained German, Italian, and / or Russian ordnance from Tito. I also believe American advisors were present during the civil war and there may have also been U.S. ordnance available as well.

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Dear BWilson,

In the Greek Civil War was the Δ.Σ.Ε (Greek Army for the Democracy), against the Ε.Σ (Greek Army). The Greek Army for the Democracy consisted not only by communists, but almost all of the resistance members.
Could you give me any information or websites about the U.S. ordnance, the German ordnance, the Italian ordnance, or Russian ordnance;

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If Tito's Communists in Yugoslavia helped to outfit the Greeks, they' also have American and British weapons as both countries outfitted Tito's partisans during World War II. What are the exact years of the Greek Civil War? I'd also imagine there would be a lot of Soviet weapons used too.

In regards to the mines, I think they'd be a random assortment from all those countries.
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The weapons which used in the Greek Civil War. I know that is a bit irrelevant, but i think that it can give you an idea about the variety of ordnance which used. Probably there was a usage of italian mines. Mussolini, have you any information about italian mines??Or a website?


Revolvers

Nagant 7.62 /1898
Colt 0.38 /1924
Colt-M1917 0.455in.
Smith & Wesson 0.38
Webley-MkIV 0.38
Enfield-No 2MkI 0.38

Glisenti ml1889 10.35mm

Pistols

Browning 9mm 1910/22
Rubi-Martian 7.65
Beretta 9mm 1934
Glisenti ml 1910 9mm Glisenti

Luger-P08 9mm
Walter-P38 9mm
Mauser-C96 7.63

Rifles-Carbines

Mannlicher-Schoenauer 6.5mm 1903/14/25
Mannlicher-Repetier 8mm or 7.92 1895
Mannlicher-Carcano M91 6.5mm
Bertier-mle 1892 8mm
Mannlicher ml 1895 8mm

Lebel mle 1886 8mm
Mauser FN ml 1930 7.92mm
Mauser ml 1890/1893/1903/1905 7.92mm
Gras 11mm 1874
Lee Enfield 1 MkIII 0.303in
Lee Enfield 4 MkI 0.303in
Mosin Nagant 7.62 1891/1930
MP44, 7.92mm
Gew, 7.92mm
Kar-98k 7.92
M1-Garant 7.62

M1-Carbine .303inch

Submachine guns

Stayer MP34 9mm
Beretta 38A 9mm
Tompson 0.45in.
MP38-Smaicher 9mm
MP40 Marsip 9mm
Erma MPE 9mm
Suomi M34 9mm or 7.65
MP34 / MP35 9mm
MP41 9mm
Sudayeva PPS43 7.62
PPSh41 7.62
ZKvz383 9mm
UD42 9mm
Tompson M1A1
Patchet or Sterling 9mm

Steyer-Solothyrn S1-100 9mm Steyer
Beretta ml 1938A 9mm Glisenti


Light machine guns

Chauchat 8mm
Hotchkiss 6.5mm
Breda 6.5mm
Bren MkI & Lewis MkI 7.7mm
Madsen 7.92
Hotchkiss mle 1922/1926 6.5mm

Hotchkiss mle 1922 7.92 mm
BarM1918A2 7.62


Machine guns

MG-42 7.92 mm
MG-35 7.92 mm
Hotchkiss mle 1914/1926 7.92
Maxim ml 1908/1915 7.92mm
Swarzloze ml 1907/1912
St.Etiene mle 1907
Vickers Mk I 7.7mm
Fiat ml 1935 8mm
Fiat Revelli ml 1914 6.5mm
Breda ml 1937 8mm
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Could you give me any information or websites about the U.S. ordnance, the German ordnance, the Italian ordnance, or Russian ordnance;

Thank you in advance,
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That's a tall order, but try this as a start:

Inert-Ord.net - A Varied and Detailed Display of Collectable Military Ordnance
German Mines
PMD series mines - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Mines and Charges

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Thank you friend.
These sites cover one side of the sybject.
How about german booby traps?
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Thank you friend.
These sites cover one side of the sybject.
How about german booby traps?
I don't see much about this on the internet. From what I recall, most of them were grenades or artillery shells that were detonated by weight or by having a trip wire pulled.

Section 5 of this resource talks about booby traps in general: http://armyapp.dnd.ca/ael/pubs/B-GL-...9-FP-001_E.pdf

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Thank you for the website
Last year i found with my unit a very strange booby trap. It consisted by a 75mm artillery shell hidden in a tree with three trip wires and three grenades hidden near to the shell. The lieutenant ordered me to blow up the trap. But i am still wondering about that trap. German or English design??Or a design of a genius guerilla?
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Try my ordnance website it has members from all over the world they may be able to help you British Ordnance Collectors Network - Inert Ordnance from WW1, WW2 and more - Inert Ordnance Identification And Militaria Collectors Resource
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Thank you spotter. Very nice site!
The trap which i found was a very clever design. I, 60 years after that and second lieutenant of the Greek Army, i could'nt ever think to use a combination of grenade and artillery shells. Probably i would use some M18's. The fantasy and the improvisation were replaced by the technology.
But the most interesting thing is that the one grenade was not hidden well and the whole trap was covering a path entrance, about 10 meters long.

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