Well it is probably one of the biggest whatifs out there.

What i had in mind was a massive meeting engagement in neutral territory.
Anything beyond that would require weeks to figure out.

Germans in the jungle.
Deutsches Afrikakorps would be changed to Deutsches Junglekorps

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The only "massive meeting engagement in neutral territory" that's even remotely reasonable is the IJN meeting the KM. Doesn't matter much where the KM is in serious trouble.

Well if japan and germany did go against each other in wwii then german uboats would play havoc on the japanese,
so a primary german objective would be to capture bases for the uboats.
Japan would be expected to win any jungle encounter and china might be extending things a bit too far but we can put that down as contested.
We can give africa to the germans.

But at the same time how could japan hope to even scratch germany.

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Very few U-boats could even come close to areas where they would threaten Japanese interests. The U-boats were not particularly suited for operations in the Pacific either.
Where? If they are not logistically connected to Germany through land routes they would be subject to isolation and reduction.
I think others would dispute that.

Madagascar is the first place that springs to mind,its vichy so the germans should be able to lean on them and get its use
Japan was definately interested in madagascar.
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The arguement has to be facilitated so i'm with an all conquering germany and an all conquering japan,german won russia and africa,japan won china and the "jungle"countries.
So i guess the big engagements take place in china,kazakhstan and mongolia.

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I'm pretty sure this takes it well outside the rules for this board.

It'd take too long to figure everything out

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The Germans did not have experience with fighting in the jungles.
The Japanese did not have (much) experience fighting in flat countrysides, fields, towns etc.

If the germans had completed the V2 or another atomic bomb, and used it against Japan ( like the USA did ). I think germany would have won. Also without A-boms, with much Bombing from the planes to weaken the Japanese defensive lines, and German Ships and U-boats surrounding the islands, and then landing many troops on the island to capture it.

I think the Germans would pick up jungle fighting very quickly. Look how fast they picked up fighting in the desert. And the Japanese in China fought in all sorts of countrysides. They wouldn't be at a disadvantage just because it wasn't jungle. Japan doesn't have any jungles, so they learned jungle fighting on the fly the way the Germans learned desert fighting.

What would hamper the Japanese would be their lack of armor and the doctrine on how to use it. Zhukov schooled them harshly at Nomonhan and they never seemed to learn the lesson. Six years after that, they still lacked decent armor. At the same time Germany would have no answer to the IJN.

What would be interesting in this scenario would be to see how the Germans reacted to an enemy even more fanatical about dying for their cause than they were. I'm thinking it would be even worse than the Eastern Front for both sides.

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The thing I don't understand is how are these two countries half-way around the world from one another supposed to fight. Germany had no claims in the Pacific and Japan likewise. Were they just to sail their Navies to meet each other in which case the Germans would not be in good shape, especially because of thei lack of carriers.

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Jon

Well it is alternate history, so somehow they have to fight.

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Right but it should at least have some basis in fact or else it is just nonsense and quite difficult to discuss

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Jon

Quite right.

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Artillerymen believe the world consists of two types of people; other Artillerymen and targets.

Of course, what's lacking is any basis in fact; I think you just hit the nail on the head for this particular thread.

How about an extremely hypothetical scenario where (due to alien abductions/brain worm outbreak/mass hysteria or whatever) war hasn't broken out by 1940, the other major powers have retreated into extreme isolationism and the British Empire has fallen apart in such a way that the whole arabian peninsula is up for grabs, leading our two favourite aggressor nations to each send an expeditionary force to nab a private oil supply for their empire ? Maybe we could posit a six-month build-up, with the Staubigheer Arabia at Jeddah and the Far Far Far Western Expeditionary Army at Muscat?

Who would triumph in the sand-pit deathmatch on the end of the worlds most ridiculously extended supply lines?

I'd say Germany. If they managed to get to America and take it, they might have gotten to the plans for the atomic bomb. And we know what they can do.

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.....as I said, it should at least have some basis in fact or else it is just nonsense and quite difficult to discuss

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Jon

Few questions:
First: Where would they meet? If it's in Japan the Japanese have defensive bunkers, as we Americans found out the hard way :/ But if it was in Russia, the Germans would have thought of the winter uniforms (FINALLY!!!) while the Japanese.......didn't have any.
Second: Umm, why would they do that when they could merge nations? I mean, MAYBE they mgiht have thought of that before jumping to another world war? Both Germany and Japan might have been a little sick of it by then, doncha think?
Third: Would Germany have the bomb? Japan was only looking into death rays and other weird weapons that probably will never work practically for decades even now. and Japan would surrender under a hail of nuclear weapons.
Now for scenarios:
If 1 was Russia, 2 was out of the question, and 3 was yes, Germany. Again, the nuclear thing.
If 1 was Japan, 2 was again out of the question and will be for all scenarios (so just ignore it) and 3 was no, then Japan. Tanks are very hard to island-hop with, and mobility is a huge part of any invasion.
1 Russia, 3 no, Germany. Technology would rule here, as they are on the Russian steppe, notoriously good territory for tanks. And seeing has Japan didn't need tanks until now, they probably weren't well developed.
I think that's it. Then again, there is one more.
1 Russia, 3 no, #2 theory may just win out. A long war might hurt 2 countries that had just been neck-deep in horseradish so they may have just decided to get along anyway....... Aaaah, sort of nice endings........ :')

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Precisely the point I was trying to make. Or at least one of them.

I bet Germany would end up defeating Japan but at a great cost. I mean both countries have their kinks and weak spots. Germany would have more casualties than Japan because the Japanese would keep fighting to the death and Germany well would not. So Germany has a more powerful army but Japan has greater determination than Germany.

There would be serious logistical issues for both sides, but if the Axis powers had to face off the Germans would have dominated thier allies.

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Not at sea. Perhaps not in certain other environments.

Fascinating idea, I googled it out of sheer curiosity and having run into these forums several times in the past, just decided to register to contribute (couldn't resist bumping).

I think there's a book that covers it, I think it's called something like "The Man In The High Castle" if I'm not mistaken.

As early as the late 50s or early 60s I believe a standoff between Germany and Japan would have certainly been possible. Germany would easily have developed a bomb by that time, and as early as the end of the war they had planes that could reach the Home Islands (albeit one-way). The submarines on both sides had the greatest range of them all, and that would have only gotten larger.

Suppose the Third Reich's racially fueled Europa couldn't seem to compromise with Hirohito's PAC over resources, say, in the Middle East? Unlike cooler Russian and American leaders, it isn't difficult to assume that these two had little trouble jumping the gun. I would imagine a localized, maybe to the point of proxy warfare in the Persian Gulf (and perhaps in and around Central America as well), marked by strategic bombing and small-scale land and naval skirmishes.

Germany was 100 times stronger than Japan in 1940. To say that Japan could defeat Germany is evidence of ignorance of the history of ww2.

1- The US lost 100.00 men in Japan, killed 1.000.000 Japs.

2- The US lost 300.000 in Germany, killed 150.000 Germans.

Figure it out....