At Pearl Harbor, the Japanese catch the American carriers and sink them, following this victory up with a seaborne invasion of Hawaii.

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The Luftwaffe crushes the RAF in the Battle of Britain, and the Germans invade England sucessfully with operation "Sea Lion".

The Russians would be left to fend for themselves, and Geramany would not be hit by American and British bombers! I think the outcome would be quite different!

Matt

Germany builds a larger navy, enough to defeat the royal navy before the U.S. enters the war. Britain is blockaded, and there is no threat of any western front. Hitler is free to attack the Soviet Union without having to worry about any second front.

Welcome to the forum kulgion.

I just thought of another one: The United States eners the war with Britain and France; and Germany struggles with whether to attack east or not.

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Ok, i know i am going to get a lot of flak for this one, but here we go.

Germany defeats Russia, In my opinion, the communists always have been a greater threat (at least to americans) than facists. Hitler didnt want a war with Britain or America, we were his kinda people. This doe snot mean i think that we shouldve been friends with Hitler, no far from it. I simply think that it would be easier to deal with a fascist empire than a communist empire.

Also, i wouldve like to have seen the Americans hold out on Bataan and Corregidor until some help could arrive. But that help probably wouldve never come. (This one doesnt matter, after me first statement, everyone wont care about this one)

CvM

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Thanks for the welcome dasreich. It's much appreciated.

Carl, I guess you believe as I do that Germany would defeat the Soviet Union if they were able to use all available resources for barbarossa.

I think Hitler invested too much in the army at the expense of the other branches.

kulgion; no problem were all friends here, when we arent bitterly arguing over nothing
If your interested in Barbarossa, there are 2 live threads raging on the subject, and many more dormant ones in the russian front section.

CvM; hehehe i like that "his kinda people." Your right though. He felt more akin to the British, and consequently the Americans. Overral though, I think he was about as dangerous as the USSR. Especially if he got the a-bomb.

[ 30. October 2002, 09:34 PM: Message edited by: dasreich ]

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hmmm, how come so many would like axis victories?

regards/ daniel

I can only speak for myself but I am sure the others would agree, I am not looking at this from a political standpoint but from a military standpoint. Meaning, looking at this particular topic, take a large battle or campaign and decide what I would change to that would change the outcome. I am not looking at supporting Nazism, communism or imperialism. Just plain military tactics. Hope this helps.

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Of course I would like an Axis victory! [img]tongue.gif[/img] Though not a Nazi victory. Not since I watched "Triumph of the Will". It scared the hell out of me. And right afterwards by coincidence I saw the power the SS had accumulated by 1945. If they had won, the Dark Ages would have descended on Germany for good and perhaps all of mankind. Who in their senses could want that!?

[ 31. October 2002, 03:34 PM: Message edited by: Andreas Seidel ]

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Hello Kulgion welcome aboard and, its scary but--all good minds think alike--

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OK. It is indeed a scary thought if you are a Russian or a Polish or whoever else. But if you are a German living in Germany in the 1940s you would surely want an Axis victory because all that bloody propaganda about: "Europas Sieg ist dein Wohlstand" was TRUE!. At least for the GERMAN people...

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Damn again..too many..all the above....especially agree with Martin on 30xxx reaching Frost...

A dozen sqadrons of hurricanes fully supported on Crete..

Full air support for the Brits and French in Norway 1940...

But ok goto have one...So Ill go for one that wont change the world, wont alter a single battle..but why reinforcce Hong Kong against all common sense of the time...Dont send those Canadians....

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Wonder if the "new generation" can come up with something totally different?

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MacArthur would be competently on duty and not at a party as the Philippines were bombed.
I will connect this to another post to be titled "July,1942, Five German Staff Officers ..."

What is with all the allied loseses as another member also pointed out? The invasion of Hawaii? The loss of Britain in the Battle of Britain? The defeat of Russia? Do any of you think this will mean the Germans win the war, somehow I don't think so. Just wait for the Yankees to join in, especially with the Germans in these scenario's still historically already having man shortages, now having to compensate with the men needed to Garrision all these new providences and cities, as well as the Altantic coast at two ends.

Well I think you all get the point.

I single event in history? I would not stop ww2 because that could change the current time, for now we all look back on ww2 and remember, it make us better people and a better nation. It gives us traditions, stories of hope and courage and of course our heroes.

But to change one, I would have to so to change Hitler and make him less sardistic, the war may have been longer with the help of the Jewish people now being in the armed forces, but I think we could all look back on ww2 and not resent the ww2 German Soldier as so many people think of them as Nazis.

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From the overall loss of lives view, I wish that France and England would have attacked Hitler immediately after his assault on Poland - the WW2 as such would never have happened.

From a military point of view, I wish Hitler would have given the attack order on Dunkirk - No added forces in the Desert - The Suez and the access to the middle east oil would have been ours.

Regards
Kruska

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hmmm... For Germany

Finish Dunkirk, and the war with Britain befor Barbarossa.

For Soviet Union

Allow the 3 Soviet army's escape from Kiev and fight another day.

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The Japanese decide to "turn German" to paraphrase the song, and turn their submarines loose on the US West coast day one of the war. Also a good what if in general. I think someone should propose it.

What would I change? One of two things:

October 7, 1916....Hitler would have taken a hit to the head instead of his leg in the Battle of the Somme WWI..........

September 1919....I would have caused a bee to fly into the driver's window of a bus in Munich, causing the bee to repeatedly sting the bus driver, the bus swerves out of control (the bus is empty of course), accidentally running over an Adolf Hitler on his way to check out this new German Worker's Party and killing him instantly. The bus driver, however, walks away unscathed. Hitler then would never have met Drexler and would never have had the opportunity to form the NSDAP. And if there were no buses...well then a man driving a horse!

Problem solved...no WWII...No Nazi's....No Holocaust!

lisa

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Okay...I rescind the "sting repeatedly". Let's change that to:

The bus driver is allergic to bees, he doesn't actually get stung, (let's save the bee, too...sounds like a gruesome death) but completely freaks out because the bee hit him and loses control of the bus, thus running over Hitler.

lisa

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or we can just be simple and stick with the WWI death!

Lisa

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Hello kimfdim,

Sounds very good to me

Regards
Kruska

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