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What If? Alternate History: Speculate about WWII battles that never were. Could the Axis have won? What if Hitler had the bomb?

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Just heard on BBC that they will be broadcasting a documentary about the plan to assassinate Hitler.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/war/wwt...itler_01.shtml

Would this have any influent on the war? Would the front have collapsed if the troops knew Hitler had been killed? Would the murderer have gotten away? Would Bormann have becom the new Führer?


I also found another interesting site about 20 July 1944.
http://www.joric.com/Conspiracy/Center.htm
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From the book on op Foxley

"Poisoning Hitler's milk was considered, then discarded because of the danger that someone else might drink it first. There were proposals to blow up his train, hit his bulletproof Mercedes with a bazooka or send a sniper to shoot him as he took his morning walk at Berchtesgaden, his Bavarian mountain retreat. Pages of intelligence on his routine and his security measures include minutiae such as "The posthouse is run by a Party member (who wears a gold party badge) with three girl assistants, one clerk and a postman who lost his arm in the last war."

Winston Churchill was kept informed, but there was continuing debate as to whether killing Hitler was a good idea. Major General Colin Gubbins, who instigated Operation Foxley in June 1944, found that the head of MI6, Stewart Menzies, was lukewarm. Other members of SOE were divided. Air Vice Marshal A.P. Ritchie argued that Hitler's almost mythical persona sustained the German people, writing, "Remove Hitler and there's nothing left." But a Major Field-Robinson felt there would be a danger of making Hitler a martyr, and that he was such a disastrous commander that it was in the Allies' interest to keep him in power. "As a strategist," he commented, "Hitler has been of the greatest possible assistance to the British war effort." His replacement by competent generals could be counterproductive.

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/19...d_or_al24.html

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In earlier discussions killing Hitler would have probably meant civil war, but then again thinking it would have saved allied blood, I wonder why they did not go on with their plans. And especially try to make contact with the inside circle and get them do the job.

The allied could have always said first that there will be peace with the new government but after Hitler´s death could have invaded the country anyway with less blood shedding, I think.But then again, maybe the destruction of Germany and German people was a political decision more or less...

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Maybe the English wanted him to live after all. Because if he died, the Eastern front might have collapsed and than the Russians would have been standing in whole Germany and parts of Italy as well.
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The British OF COURSE WERE NOT going to help ANY German generals to kill Hitler. Why? Because they are the enemy! Even if they are opossed to their Führer, they had supported him on the previous years... it was unconceabable.

The closest thing to this happened in the mid 1930s when general Ewald von Kleist (later field marshal) visited England and met with the main British pro-belicist: Winston S. Churchill. Von Kleist told Churchill about the generals' unconfidence with Hitler and the latter's expansionist ideas. However, the German generals preferred to stay out of politics and carry out their duty. Von Kleist and Churchill meeting naver came to anything...
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