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What If? Alternate History: Speculate about WWII battles that never were. Could the Axis have won? What if Hitler had the bomb?

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Old July 30th, 2004, 02:44 PM
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I'm sorry, Drache, I should have expressed myself better instead of being so terse as to appear humourless...

Your idea might be feasible if the Channel pipeline were flushed and the origin diverted to the Highlands, so instead of petrol the pipeline would convey Scotch!
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Nah, you have to be more devious. Cheap vodka is fine. Just start making lots of flights (aka the Berlin Airlift) on a regular basis over Soviet territory. Start small. A case here, a case there, "accidently" dropped. Slowly, it becomes a common occurance. Word gets around that liquor, cigarettes, chocolate, and other 'goodies' are falling out of Allied planes flying to Berlin.
Soon, the desertion rate in Soviet units rises as soldiers slip away to get their share. Units along flight corridors fall into complete disarray. Once the corruption has thoroughly taken hold then the Allies strike!
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Gentlemen

The proper action should be the distribution of Vodka bottles filled with watter!

The entire Russian army will revolt, shouting "No Vodka, no fight!"

Then the western alies could attack and win easily.

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A bit off topic but i remeber watching a documenary about Bio-chem weapons and how the allies tried using LSD as a Chemical weapon (sounds crazy i know).
They had a soldier run a basic obstacle corse and it was quite funny he could hardly walk. Though not long after they worked out there was no way to spread it in the battlefield. Also i remever them saying churchill wanting to use Anthrax(bio weapon) ASAP though the Gear was not ready though I think that it is a bit strange as i heard he was not the biggest Chemical weapon fan.
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The British in 1941 tested an aerial anthrax bomb on tiny Gruinard Island off the coast of Scotland. The 60 sheep placed there as 'guinea pigs" were all killed. However, the island remained contaminated with viable anthrax spores for more than 40 years, making it uninhabitable until protests in the 1980s led the British government to sterilize the entire island with burning followed by treatment with formaldehyde.

http://biology.clc.uc.edu/fankhauser...ax/Anthrax.htm

Churchill's scientific adviser Lord Cherwell wrote to the Prime Minister: "There is no known cure and no effective prophylaxis. Whole cities would be made uninhabitable."

http://wais.stanford.edu/Terrorism/t...rax121801.html

The Japs:

It is estimated that by 1940, Unit 731 manufactured over five tons of anthrax for placement into bombshell casings.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/ar...TICLE_ID=25220

From the same site:

The Canadians were only slightly behind the British with their own anthrax tests conducted on a desolate prairie called Suffield near Calgary and Medicine Hat. Few details about these tests have ever been publicly released.

..Churchill ordered his military leaders to request 500,000 anthrax bombs from the United States.(??)

Since 1942, the U.S. Army had been conducting an ongoing series of secret experiments with anthrax, often in cooperation with biological warfare scientists with the Canadian military. The Canadians were producing anthrax spores at the rate of about 150 pounds per month at a secluded location on Grosse Ile, a St. Lawrence seaway island near Quebec.

Grosse Isle anthrax production was slow and problematic, provoking U.S. officials to decide to produce their own anthrax spores at a multi-million dollar production facility built near Vigo, Ind., south of Terre Haute. Originally designed in 1942 by the Army as a conventional munitions plant, the newly equipped plant held 12 20,000-gallon tanks that within less than one-month's time could produce enough anthrax for 500,000 bombs. In June 1944, following the British request for a half-million bombs, the U.S. decided to produce one million anthrax bombs, half of which would be stockpiled in the U.S. for possible use.

Ed Regis, in his book "The Biology of Doom," says the shell casings for the Vigo anthrax bombs were to be "manufactured by the Electromaster Corporation, a commercial bomb maker in Detroit, Mich." and that "high explosives would be made by the Unexcelled Manufacturing Company of Cranbury, N.J."

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