I have a what if that has popped into my mind a few times. I have just found these WWII forums and thought this would be the perfect place to have some fun with some speculation...

What if Nazi German won the war in Europe, defeating and occupying Africa, Britain, and Russia.
and.
What if the Empire of Japan won the Pacific war and defeating and occupying the U.S., China, and Austrailia.

There might have been some years of getting along between Germany and Japan since they were allies during WWII. But in my opinion it would be inevitable that the two countries would be at war with each other. Nazi Germany was "the master race" and all subhumans should be destroyed as they obviously tried to do at the time. Japan also thought they were a superior race and all lower forms of life should be destroyed.
Each govornment basically wanted to rule most of if not all of the world. Sooner or later one of the two countries would decide to get rid of the other 'subhuman' race.

Which country do you think would have ended up the 'Ruler of the World'? Could the Empire of Japan survive the Nazi Blitzkreig? Could Nazi Germany withstand the bloodthirsty determination of the Japanese onslought?

I am curious to hear all your thoughts on this.
Wayne

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Definitely a 'way-out- what-if ; but given your parameters :

I'd reckon Germany for overall world domination. My opinion is that Germany ( despite its' excesses ) would be better at co-opting the resources of the various countries which it occupied ( eg France in WWII as an example ).

The Japanese would be less likely to gain full co-operation, especially in the case of the USA and Australia, principally due to cultural differences and mutual incomprehension.

But then, what do I know anyway ? [img]smile.gif[/img]

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My first thought was to go with Japan, as they would be able to fund their war by supplying TVs, Cars, Walkmans and CD players to the US (oh wait that came later!).

No seriously I thought that Japan having a superiour Carrier fleet(combined US) would be of major significance but would this advantage in the pacific carry to the Atlantic and Med? I don't think so. With the vast expanse of these sides Europe and Euroaisa would 'blockading Germany' have any affect.

So I would think things would develop as they did between the Soviets and the Americans where they would develop Nucs and Chemical Weapons.

So in summary we would all loose beacause these guys would not have refrained from using the things!

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I wanna know where they are gonna fight? Meet halfway in Russia or the Middle East? Or are the Japs gonna sail round and do D-Day..?


Plus I really dont see why they would fight, they would both have vast spheres of influence and prosperity anyway, fighting would just weaken their positions and ferment resistance.

A rather 'way outta left field...' What if!

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Yes Red Baron, but Think of the gaming possibilities Japanese V Germans!

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A good plan violently executed today is better than a perfect plan executed tomorrow.
Patton

The direct use of force is such a poor solution to any problem, it is generally employed only by small children and large nations.
David Friedman

Military justice is to justice what military music is to music.
Groucho Marx

Being this a what-if I won't be nit-picking and mention than neither Germany nor Japan could have defeated any of the three Allies. But I'll use my imagination. [img]smile.gif[/img]

I do not think there would have been much conflict between the two empires, because of their own vast areas of influence and because none had enough power to conquer and occupy the whole globe.

And in the case of a cold-warm war between Japan and Germany I think it's something like Great Britain and Germany. They nulify each other's power. Germany simply can't defeat the Japanese Imperial Navy, no way. And the Japanese Imperial Army can't defeat the Wehrmacht. Simply because each force is designed for something specific and their strategy and tactics simply do not allow them to fight each other, not to mention Geography!

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That is what I was trying to say but you put it much better!

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Patton

The direct use of force is such a poor solution to any problem, it is generally employed only by small children and large nations.
David Friedman

Military justice is to justice what military music is to music.
Groucho Marx

General.. I agree with you totally that Germany nor Japan really could have ever defeated any of the allies. But I still think, that even tho they would have huge areas of contol to themselves, the character of each respective govornment at the time just would not be able to leave well enough alone.Expansion, greed, and any threat that they would see to their power would have to be eliminated. I agree also that neither one probably could have really have the power and capablity to conquer the whole globe but I don't think that would have stopped them from trying.

Plus there are so many variables that could enter into the equation as mentioned.."Where the heck would they fight"? That in itsself would make a lot of difference in who might or might not win.
A land war would, in my opinion, be a Whermacht victory without question. But a naval war..that is tough.

Japan had a super powerfull navy at the start of the war but Germany, left alone to build ships with the quality and size that they were so famous for. ??That would be a tough choice??

Good point too Maverick. Both Germany and Japan were at different points in developing nuclear weapons and you are probably right. They probbly would not have hesitated in using them in big numbers against any of their enemies. In their minds it would just be a quicker way to get rid of more of the enemy at one time.

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The battleship Yamato was pretty big. The Japs had more experience with carrier warfare. It might be interesting how Germany would have accomplished island-hopping battles like Iwo or Saipan. Japan's willingness to fight to the last,dug in deep caves vs. Tiger tanks. Or Jap planes diving into Hitler's beloved warships.

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On the German side it could go two ways too.
If you have standard Whermacht troops, I don't see them having the tenacity and lasting power to beat the Japanese in island campaigns such as Iwo Jima. But if you put in hardcore SS troops, that might be a different story. Although the SS a lot of times got a little reckless and overzealous which ended up with quite high casualties because of that recklessness. Even tho...SS troops against dug in Japanese is a very interesting scenario. ...although.., noone could ever do it as good as the U.S.

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I pretty much agree with what has been said, though it depends on the terrain as well. However Fire_spit, I disagree about the Wehrmacht, if the Kriegsmarine provided the means to land troops and some of the top knotch Wehrmacht troops were used I see them doing at least as well as the USMC did. After all, they had the tenacity to hold off the Ruskies, German shock troops, GD or SS troops were some of the finest in the world and so would probably do fairly well.

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Very good point Stefan. I guess I just wasn't willing to give the Whermacht the credit they really deserve. They were a very formidable fighting force. The length of WWII proves how good they really were.

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I also think that Germany and Japan wouldn't attack each other, because they would conrol vast territories of land and a lot of people.

In this scenario we can also conclude that the only continent that needs to be capture is America, which Japan and Germany + their Alies - if they wanted to - could better do together.

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