Yes, I think that is probably best.

As for Soviet "human wave" attacks this is more myth than truth. Tactically by late 1943 - 44 the Red Army was squad for squad competitive with the Germans. Where they fell down was a combination of lack of NCOs and officers of any sort in smaller units. The typical company had one officer (senior lieutenant or captain) in charge and 4 or 5 junior lieutenants commanding platoons. Many of these guys were the training equivalent of a German unterofficer or junior NCO in Western armies. That is, they had limited tactical training an little or no time on managerial or technical topics. NCOs were generally selected from survivors in the unit with nothing but hands-on training.
Without radios or field telephones, frequently suffering shortages of everything, these units had to fight more as squads than as integrated companies. Is it any wonder they suffered more casualties? The bottom line is that the Soviets by this time (later in the war) were not just stupidly rushing forward in a blind charge. They were trying to do the best they could with the resources they had. That these were often times below what their opponets had only meant that they had to trade casualties for integrated operations but in the end it still produced victory.

If only the Cold War could have been solved this easily!

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The war against Russia will be such that it cannot be conducted in a knightly fashion. This struggle is one of ideologies and racial differences and will have to be conducted with unprecedented, unmerciful and unrelenting harshness. -Adolf Hitler

I am glad the cold war went the way it did, it could have gone a lot worse.

What if Russia had only lost 3 million men, how many more people would be on the planet today?

Good question

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In the above mentioned numbers i have gotten these figures

the Soviets had in troops numbers.

Rifle Divisions, Total 500+, 9,700 per division
Tank/Mechanised/Motorized Division, Total 200+, 10,000 per division
Cavalry Divisions, Total 125+, 4,800 per divisions
Penal (Convict) Divisions, 120+, 9,700 per divison
Artillery Divisions, 95+, 4,300 per division

If this thread was to occur then the Western Allies would have no choice but to release all prisoners of war and re-mobilize them that takes time, But i would see that at least the U.S would also have no choice to forge an alliance with Japan and Nationalist China to go on the offensive in Eastern Soviet Union as to open up a second front.

In the end i can't see the Soviet Union lasting more than six months with all nations against it.

If we go by that assumption consider how many folks we would have had WWI and WWII not occured.

Ah ha another 6 month theory................. Didnt some leader make that mistake already?

Also Japan and China would never allign themselves against the USSR

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The war against Russia will be such that it cannot be conducted in a knightly fashion. This struggle is one of ideologies and racial differences and will have to be conducted with unprecedented, unmerciful and unrelenting harshness. -Adolf Hitler

With all the Allies talking of taking out Russia, Did the thoughts Ever cross Russias mind.About the Allies we still had japan to fight and things had slowed down. No One Wanted To Be The Last Man Killed In Combat In Europe. The Omega

What a waste, every one would be much better off if instead of allying against Germany every one including the Nazis took off against the Russians.

Is that what this thread is about?

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Yes, but only after the Nazis had already been destroyed.

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The war against Russia will be such that it cannot be conducted in a knightly fashion. This struggle is one of ideologies and racial differences and will have to be conducted with unprecedented, unmerciful and unrelenting harshness. -Adolf Hitler

I feel an immense relief now, thank you very much.

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no problem

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The war against Russia will be such that it cannot be conducted in a knightly fashion. This struggle is one of ideologies and racial differences and will have to be conducted with unprecedented, unmerciful and unrelenting harshness. -Adolf Hitler

combined allied and german forces would have crushed the red army its something that should of happened

Is that the Panzer Penguin I hear a stirring?

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Best Regards,
JW

No Panzer Penguin needed my friend, I think this thread is just about dead and there really is no need to further continue this silly discussion.

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The war against Russia will be such that it cannot be conducted in a knightly fashion. This struggle is one of ideologies and racial differences and will have to be conducted with unprecedented, unmerciful and unrelenting harshness. -Adolf Hitler

What a creative post. And so gramatically correct too. Not bad for a first post, you'll go far.

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Leaving the "crush the russians" out and the hatred of the Jews,could the Allies even have got along with Germany. Ike already had his hands full with Patton and Monty's bickering. Now he'd have the German Generals as well. And the language now would be a problem.

Would Blitzkreig exist? Would Tiger tanks exist? More bickering over which tank should be produced? Might have been interesting[imo] to see what kind of tank was produced had they combined ideas.
Not trying to rehash the teaming up on the Russians, just wondering how the two could have worked together as allies.

Panzerkampfwagen VII Schermann

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The war against Russia will be such that it cannot be conducted in a knightly fashion. This struggle is one of ideologies and racial differences and will have to be conducted with unprecedented, unmerciful and unrelenting harshness. -Adolf Hitler

I think that if the allies decided to use the vetrans of the whermacht to fight the russians they would have had to supply the majority with US equip. . They might be able to form small kampf groups with german equip. but, with most of the production facilities in ruins it would take time to get them up and running to equip. the hundred of thousands of former axis troops with german arms. The main bonus for the allies are several thousands of troops with expercience fighting the russains at their disposal.