The Russians would be far better of with 10,000 T-34's in their arsenal then the 14,000-15,000 absolete tanks which were used in reality. Now if the Germans failed to accomplish their tasks against the absolete tanks then how might they fair against machines which in turn make their own Panzers absolete?

Gentlemen, might you be taking my thread a little too seriously?

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The war against Russia will be such that it cannot be conducted in a knightly fashion. This struggle is one of ideologies and racial differences and will have to be conducted with unprecedented, unmerciful and unrelenting harshness. -Adolf Hitler

Tanks are steel coffins if the commanders don't know how to use them.

They are indeed.

One thing that has not been covered and that is to my knowledge the Soviet T-34/76 did not have radios and that communication between tank commander was still by hand signals, if that is not the case then someone set me right.

If i am right then the same goes as per real time, Soviet tank commanders are in effect are deaf to the next tank, the Soviet tank formations can't operate as large formations, and they can't because they are to widely dispersed along the front and not in massed formations and are vulnerable to air strikes as well.

Yes you are correct, this however was in the beginning of the conflict as radios were equiped later on. The Germans faced the 15000 absolete Russian tanks which had the same problem.

Surely the Germans would have had a harder time with the 10,000 T-34's rather then 15,000 pee shooters they actully faced?

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The war against Russia will be such that it cannot be conducted in a knightly fashion. This struggle is one of ideologies and racial differences and will have to be conducted with unprecedented, unmerciful and unrelenting harshness. -Adolf Hitler

Absolutely, no doubt about that, but i am going on what happened on the battlefield and the quality of tatics to cope with the situation as per June 1941 to November 1942 the Soviets were on the back foot, they had no answer to the Cauldron Battles on encirclement, i will say it is a beautiful thing to have all those T-34/76's but to be effective they must be able to communicate with each other and to commanding officers down the line, if they had no radio's then they are deaf to changing orders and can't act in fluidity in changing conditions of battle.

And the Soviets did learn valuable lessons in battle, they eventually massed their Armour into Tank Armies, like the German Panzer Gruppen, but initially the Soviets would lose hundred or thousands of T-34/76's not because they were inferior or that the tank crews themselves were bad tankers, but because the Soviets were still recovering from the pre-war blood letting. Leadership would be the dictate in the early phase of how the Soviets would cope with the Blitzkrieg, and they coped poorly.

But then once they got their act together Germany would struggle.

Im not sure we disagree here.

I guess the point im making is that, if the Germans failed to accomplish their tasks against 15,000 pea shooters then perhaps they would fair even poorer against the T-34's?

Oh and while the early T-34's had no idividual radio's which all tanks could communicate with then did have receivers.

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The war against Russia will be such that it cannot be conducted in a knightly fashion. This struggle is one of ideologies and racial differences and will have to be conducted with unprecedented, unmerciful and unrelenting harshness. -Adolf Hitler

Point taken, initial Soviet set back, but whamo Soviets would still kick German butt. Due to production of tanks. Germany could not match the Soviets.

If that was the case, then the Germans would have tried to capture the industrial areas of Russia instead of Ukraine. They would have also developed the Panthers much earlier, along with more Panzerfausts. The Russians would have done nothing with the T-34s other than made the Germans more cautious.

Exactly, and if the USSR have had atomic bombs in 1941, the Germans would have captured the nuclear facilities and developped their own atomic bomb before the end of the war

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