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What If? Alternate History: Speculate about WWII battles that never were. Could the Axis have won? What if Hitler had the bomb?

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Old August 27th, 2007, 07:31 PM
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Surigao Straight is hardly a good comparison. .... But, the US light forces there did not distinguish themselves. Of 132 PT boats present most did fire all of their torpedoes and they failed to get a single hit. The US destroyer line for the most part just shadowed the Japanese as they were well aware that they were about to run into the main gun line.
The main gun line battleships and cruisers demolished the Japanese in about 15 minutes of fire. ....
DD's just shadowed the Japanese??? The Fuso was broken in two and the Yamashiro had taken one to three torpedos before the battle line opened fire, two of the Japanese DDs were also sunk by that time and a third was retiring minus a bow.
See for example the write up at:
LEYTE GULF - The Battle of Surigao Strait (D Llewellyn James)
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Old August 29th, 2007, 10:12 AM
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I thought the Germans did bomb the ports. Arial mining of sea lanes is not a particularly useful operation especially when you can't drop a lot of mines and need to move through the same lanes yourself. Choke point mining such as the Germans conducted at port entrances is more effective.
Ok, drop more mines closer in to the harbor entrys. I'll not niggle. My point is there was very poor support & cooperation with the Navy by the Luftwaffe. A proper combined effort would have been much more productive than fighting two seperate uncoordinated wars.
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Ok, drop more mines closer in to the harbor entrys. I'll not niggle. My point is there was very poor support & cooperation with the Navy by the Luftwaffe. A proper combined effort would have been much more productive than fighting two seperate uncoordinated wars.
That would be nice but the Luftwaffe was short of aerial mines, down to lack of adequate planning.
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