How might Europe have faired if there was no Russian involvement and I mean none.... lets pretend that Russia didnt even exist

How might have the conflict turned out?

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The war against Russia will be such that it cannot be conducted in a knightly fashion. This struggle is one of ideologies and racial differences and will have to be conducted with unprecedented, unmerciful and unrelenting harshness. -Adolf Hitler

The thousand year Reich that Hitler promised would have become a reality, absent a nuclear strike by the US.

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"Who will save your soul, if you won't save your own." - Jewel

If the USSR did not exist....

...Hitler and his panzers would have fallen off the edge as they were trying to find lebensraum....

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I believe it goes much deeper than that. If the Soviet Union did not exist, then there would be no communism. That threat was a great influence in the Nazi party's successful entrance into the Reichstag. So if there was no communism, would there have been a successful Nazi party overthrow of the government via political means? Would the German people have looked towards the Nazi party as a means to save them (but from what?)? Many, many questions pop up with this one.

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" from the evil Jews " It was unfortunately the Jews that were blamed for many more problems then anyone else.

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The war against Russia will be such that it cannot be conducted in a knightly fashion. This struggle is one of ideologies and racial differences and will have to be conducted with unprecedented, unmerciful and unrelenting harshness. -Adolf Hitler

Kai's answer....HeHehEHe

Like lemmings, push all before them into the sea, und follow zem in.

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"Danger Will Robinson!"

I was reading the other day that Jews in most European nations and the world for that matter were treated as second class citizens at best until the early 20th century. Weird.

I think that Germany would have had to been a more naval power minded nation in a Europe without Asia. There would have been no distractions to the Mediterranean operations nor England. I wouldn’t be surprised if after the fall of France and loss of Egypt and other holdings England started to listen to peace offers.

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They called that the Drang nach Osten effect

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Bah!

True enough but the Jews did not go around threatening and fighting in the streets whereas the communists were touting overthrow of governments and doing away with privatization of industries. This was much more threatening to the German people (and other countries) than the Jews. Especially to the industrialists which is how Hitler ended up with their support by promising them to do away with the unions and labor parties

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Good points and I see where your going but im not sure that I would fully agree, as communists were a thorn in the side the Jews were the priority.

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The war against Russia will be such that it cannot be conducted in a knightly fashion. This struggle is one of ideologies and racial differences and will have to be conducted with unprecedented, unmerciful and unrelenting harshness. -Adolf Hitler

If the Soviet Union was one big ocean, Hitler would have to look elsewhere for
raw materials to sustain his 100 year Reich. Maybe to the extent of helping the Japanese. I'm sure Rommel and his Afrika Corps would have benefited from
no Soviet invasion.
I'm thinking Italy would have stayed in the war longer had there not been a Soviet Union. The pasteing they took at Stalingrad did a lot to damage Italian
morale.......I think.

Im going to agree with you on the Africa campaing. Afterall, an additional 3 million men in 1941 could have helped out

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The war against Russia will be such that it cannot be conducted in a knightly fashion. This struggle is one of ideologies and racial differences and will have to be conducted with unprecedented, unmerciful and unrelenting harshness. -Adolf Hitler

I think we can agree to disagree but think about this. in 33' the Nazis came into power and then became a one party state. The Nazis used the communist threat to sway the masses over to their side. Now that threat exists no more, the nazis needed another scapegoat to keep the masses from seeing what is real. That is where the Jews come in. The communists were more than just a thorn on the side. They were Hitler's competition for power.

So, both the communists and the Jews were enemies but only sequentially. Without the communists, the nazis could not come into power and conduct their war on the Jews. If the communists were not around from the beginning, then I do not think (my opinion) that they could have conducted their war on the Jews with Germans just accepting it. there would be some who would accept it but I also think that there would be public renounciations as well compared to how it really happened.

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Yes they both played a role

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The war against Russia will be such that it cannot be conducted in a knightly fashion. This struggle is one of ideologies and racial differences and will have to be conducted with unprecedented, unmerciful and unrelenting harshness. -Adolf Hitler

Isn't detente beautiful.

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Nothing better

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The war against Russia will be such that it cannot be conducted in a knightly fashion. This struggle is one of ideologies and racial differences and will have to be conducted with unprecedented, unmerciful and unrelenting harshness. -Adolf Hitler