What if Operation 'Barbarossa' succeeded?

What would happend next? What had Hitler done then?
Was the war over if Operation Barbarossa succeeded?
What would America/England/Japan done then?

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Define "Success" please.

Hitler wins and welcome to Hell on Earth.

A good 10 million gassed to death.

The war goes on in another direction.

How many of us today would be here if Hitler won?



Cold War between Germany and the U.S.A

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"Open channel D"

If Hitler won did we still think the same as we do now?
It's because Hitler lost that everything bad came out.

If Hitler won did we even know exactly what he did long tim ago?
I think that we just followed the Hitler regime.

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Yes, define "wins." Does this mean takes Moscow, Leningrad etc and fighting in the East continues? Doe it mean Hitler gains all of his objectives in the East and is now fighting a stalemated holding war of attrition with the Soviets? Does it mean Hitler and Stalin reach some peace accord? Also, at what point does this occur? Late 41? Sometime in 42? By 43 the Germans were thoroughly finished so it seems moot to ask about that point on.

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Truth is stranger than bullshit!

Jewish lobby in America in 1941 had rec'd evidence of mass shootings and any how the truth will always come to the light of day.

I don't want to derail thread any longer, so back on track we go.

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"Open channel D"

Complete Russia

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I agree.

All of Russia is conquered???? I dont think the Germans had a car that coudl drive that far.

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Mhhh. Maybe not even the people. But it's a What if and I ask myself what would happen further.

@Richard

Truth always comes to the light of the day.. If Hitler rose and was the ultimate victor.. Would be still think the same.. Will we not (have) be (been)brainwashed?

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Not everyone fell for what Hitler said, there were plenty of Germans who saw Hitler for what he was an evil mass murdering warmonger.

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After the collapse of France in June 1940 the US Army & Navy Chiefs of Staff begain a study of how to fight the Germans. This took the form of a series of estimates that eventually evolved into what became known as the 'V Plans' . One of these estimates assumed the USSR would be defeated and driven out of Europe. In this case it was projected the US would need to produce enough equipment/supplys to mobilize and sustain over 200 infantry and armor divsions and the equivalent in airforces. Plus extra cargo ships. Not all the manpower for these were to come from the US. It was assumed that as with the Poles a large remanant of the Soviet army would escape and provide a pool of manpower to be rearmed. The general idea was the US and sponsored forces would build up around the periphery of the nazi conquests until airpower wrecked the German industry and transportation leaving the nazi armys inadaquately supplied.

Plans were started for establishing a suitable logistics base in the Persian Gulf region. The establishment of the Lend Lease supply route through Persia was a step towards this. The Siberian route (through which most Lend Lease actually moved) was also considered. The ability of Japan to interfere with this made it risky. The northern route to Murmansk was seen as impractical until Norway was liberated.

I have no idea if this could have been pulled off. The US Army officers who laid it all out (Eisenhower was one of them) gave it some serious thought.

These V Plans went through several versions. A summary of one from 1941 can be seen at this link:

HyperWar: An Unknown Future and A Doubtful Present [Chapter 4]

The operational goal of Operation Barbarossa was the rapid conquest of the European part of the Soviet Union. The complete conquest of Russia was out of the question, since the German army did not have the strength to achieve that goal. If the original goal of Operation Barbarossa was achieved, then the Germans would have to defend the AA line. The Americans come up with the A-bomb in 1945, the Russians counterattack, Germany wiped off the map.

The Big One

The lead up is pretty much bullshit, Halifax would never allow Hitler bases in Britain and Hitler wouldn't need troops from Britain to fight the Soviets as he doesn't in this timeline have to divert large numbers of troops to the Balkans and Africa to clean up Mussolini's follies.

But, the technical details of over a 1,000 B-36s destroying Germany with Atomic Bombs and Conventional Weapons is correct

Well if by success you have ask oneself how far East does the German Army need to get to, does the German Army stop at the River Volga, Ural Mountains or push on past into the East Ural Industrial region, could the Germans do this.

Astrakhan to Arkhangelsk line following mostly the River Volga was entirely achievable for the Germans by winter 1942.

The Ural Mountains down to the Aral Sea was plausible.

But anything beyond that stretches the supply lines to snapping point, but to achieve total victory the Germans would have to commit to going beyond the Urals and this has one major problem and that troop dilution. But even this could be overcome if Hitler had decided to get all minority groups to come to his and Germany's side act as a liberator to fight the common enemy Joseph Stalin.

Sometime in 1941 Hitler mentioned he never intended to go beyond Urals. It was largely unpopulated wilderness, although many new cities began to sprang up there at the turn of the century thanks to the TS railway. They would likely agree on peace settlement, and Soviet capital and government moved east.

I doubt it, Hitler would never allow any kind of Soviet Government, unless they (the Russians) killed off Stalin and abolished communism, if they did that then yes a peace treaty could work but Germany would insist on the new industries east of the Urals as reparations.

Germany's forces run thin in Russia. Russian winter kills thousands. Oil rigs taken by Germans in Chechnya. America comes in a destroys German forces (which as said before, are run thin occupying Russia) along with local resistance, England, France, Poland, and other forces.

After the German defeat at Moscow, any thought of brokering any sort of "peace treaty" with Stalin was simply out of the question.

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