You might not call it a weapon but the German Autobahn was also a great German invention. They invented the modern on-ramp and off-ramp, whoch without there would be no US Interstate System.

I have heard about the secret German weapon the Bell (sp?), can someone give me any information on this as I have been interested in it since I heard about on Coast to Coast AM? I have heard it might've been able to lead the Germans to build many things including:

1: Nuclear weapon size of brief case
2: Time Machine
3: Anti-biological weapon [(kills bio-matter)(I've heard it once turned a plant into liquid mush)]

I think these were built only because Hitler wanted to have the largest artillery in the world. They were only used in a few missions. Hilter just wanted to out-do all of the other world powers.

The Golden Rule to remember when reading about such "German secret weapons" is this: if nobody has discovered them in the sixty years since then, despite the technological secrets of Nazi Germany being picked over by the Allies and the vast improvements in science over that time, then they didn't exist.

I believe that they were experimenting with a very primitive kind of proto-reactor at the end of the war, and might have had the capability of making a "dirty bomb" by strapping uranium around HE in order to poison the area affected by the HE blast, but that is a long, long way from a nuclear weapon.

Time travel? Sheer fantasy.

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no well, it wasn't exactly a time machine. Just the Germans survived another 10 years the weapon could have created some kind of "worm hole" that many physicists have said can be created for time travel. It was simple experimentation that could have been used for said weapons (most likely unknown to scientists at the time)

"Worm holes" are a theoretical construct of physics: no-one has even found one yet, yet alone has the slightest idea of how one might be made.

This goes beyond fantasy: it is pure BS.

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Of course! The Germans had no idea either! However, many people believe that they could have accidently done it! Time travel is possible. A Russian cosmonaut went back something like 0.0002 seconds. How they measured that, I don't know, but he did.

The Germans I am positive did not construct the Bell for the reason of time travel, or nuclear power, or some other kind of weapon. It was a simple experiment that had the potential to lead the Germans to create all kinds of wonders. There is no doubt in my mind it exists.

I guess you haven't been to Germany and seen the original autobahn roads. They are nothing comparable to US (or modern German) interstates. They were much narrower, lacked ramps and other automobile friendly ammenities, and while far better than most European roads of the time were hardly a giant step forward in civil engineering.

You "quote" something, anything off Coast to Coast!! That radio program is nothing but a mix of crackpot conspiricy theories, straight out nutters, and other assorted loose screws coming up with tin foil hat stuff.

Nuclear weapons? We've been over this one more than once here. The Germans didn't even have a fully operational reactor. Without at least the fundimental basic research that such a reactor provides they were not going to get very far making a nuclear weapon. As for suitcase nukes: Even today these are largely impractical. There is a minimun size of fissionable material necessary to make one. Adding the conventional explosives and necessary controls along with shielding (yes, you have to have some) it comes to a very large suitcase with a weight around 100 + pounds. And then, such a weapon has a service life measured in weeks at most. This is due to the decay of uranium or plutonium it is made out of. Such a bomb quickly loses sufficent mass due to natural decay to be rendered ineffective.

Time machines? This is just purile and silly.

Anti-biological weapons? Soman / Sarin possibly? Defoliants were well known as were pesticides. Everyone had both for use. The US developed DDT as probably one of the best advances in this field at the time. DDT saved alot of troop's lives and kept even more from disease like malaria.

Suitcase nukes?

Are there even any in existence today?

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In theory you can go back in time but first you have to figure out how to go faster than the speed of light. A radio beam or anything in the electro-magnetic spectrim goes out into space at the speed of light. If you pass it then you are going to see or hear it again. The light of far away stars are measured in light years. A star, 50 light years away means the light coming from it left the star 50 years ago and travels around 186,000 miles per second give of take a few miles per second. No one has figured how to go this fast because the equation E=MC sq means Energy = mass times the speed of light squared. This intern means that the faster a mass goes the larger it will become.

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They had not enough fuel to use their time machine anyways

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While we have not figured out how to reach or break the speed of light we know that certain particals can. (mueons) But time travel... skeptical I am.

German speciaol weapons may not have helped to much to win the war, but the advances that they made have changed the world, besides what else would the engineers been working on?

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An old post that I just finished compiling some stuff on. Nazi sub-orbital ballist rockets and V-1 pulse jets.

The V-2 had nearly the same payload; about 2,000 lbs (900 - 1,000 kg) as the less expensive but more vulnerable V-1. Then factor in that each V-2 had a production cost bordering on RM 120,000 per unit, using slave labor! In 1939 the production cost would have been much higher as the slaves from conquered lands would be unavailable. The cost may have been able to be lowered as the production was streamlined, and slave labor incorporated, but it would probably never have gotten below RM50,000. That makes them equivalent in cost of about five V-2s per B-24 or six per B-17 at the historical cost (using slave labor), for a one shot delivery.

The American bombers carried more payload, further, and returned again and again. I am not including the cost of the training for aircrew for the bombers, or ground crew for either as they are not comparable in any meaningful manner. Nor am I including the venerable Lancaster bomber in the mix as I am unsure of even its estimated cost of production per unit.

A B-24 cost about $296,000 (RM 750,000), while a B-17 ran about $240,000 (RM 600,000). Not only including the cost of each limited warhead delivery system which is a one shot wonder, one must factor in Hitler’s attitude toward the rockets as a system.

After the death of his long-time friend; who was experienced in rocketry and a proponent of same (Max Valier), in a liquid fueled rocket experiment he regarded them with the same jaundiced eye as he did Zeppelins in war. They were both dangerous, explosive, and thus unusable/unsuitable. It took the specter of defeat in the field to alter Hitler’s mind concerning the A-4 (V-2).

While the accuracy of the Norden bombsight was vastly over-rated, it did have a CEP (circular error probability) of about 3,000 feet (1,000 meters), the V-2 had a recognized CEP of between 6 and 17 kilometers. This discounts wind cross currents as it would effect both in target stikes, only cloud cover would give the rocket the advantage as it was preset and not reliant on visibility of the target.

Here is some data concerning the V-2 that I have yet to verify, but I will post it none the less:

Number manufactured: 6,240
Number launched: 3,590
Successes: 2,890 (81%)
Failures: 700 (19%)
In inventory: 2,100
Work in progress: 250

Expended in development: 300

Development program cost: US$ 2 billion
Development cost per launcher: US$ 350,512
Total manufacturing cost per launcher: US$ 43,750
Marginal cost, launchers 5000+: US$ 13,000 (Yes, 13K!)

These are actual figures for the first mass-produced rocket vehicle, the V2 (A4) years ago. Prices are in gold backed US wartime dollars.

Stating the obvious.... The V2 was a suborbital vehicle, intended to lob high explosive over relatively short distances. Quantity production of the V2 at Mittelwerk was accomplished with unpaid slave labour under the brutal rule of the SS. And the failure rate was unacceptable by current standards.

From:

A Rocket a Day Keeps the High Costs Away

There was no way to get these "Wunderwaffen" into the field sooner, or cheaper, or use them more effienctly.

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[quote=brndirt1;335077] Nor am I including the venerable Lancaster bomber in the mix as I am unsure of even its estimated cost of production per unit.

I have some anecdotal evidence towards this i have read, where a Lancaster pilot referered to his A/C as the 75,000 quid kite so that may be at least a loose reference although still seems cheap compared to the costs of the other A/C

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[quote=P-Popsie;335086]Thanks for that lead! I had earlier (figuring out L/L values) had found that in early March of 1940 (a year before L/L was approved), the British government took the decision to peg the value of the pound to the dollar, at $4.03 where it remained though out the war years.

So if one multiplies the 75,000 quid by 4.03 dollars, the estimated cost per Lanc would seem to be about $302,250.00 wouldn’t it?

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how did nearly three identical posts show up? When I first posted, none appeared, so I went back and edited and reposted, and again nothing, so I posted with more information a third time and they ALL showed up!

Sorry 'bout that guys!

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User error? Computer illiteracy?

Sometimes that just happens, Clint. I don't know why.

I'll move them eslewhere for you.

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Thanks bud, usually when I post I get that message "Thank you for your post,..." or if it is a duplicate a statement to that effect.

This time neither of those showed up, so I didn't know what had happened to the first two until I posted the third and then got the "Thank you...." message. When it took me to my post, there were the other TWO!

Thanks for the removal of the dupes.

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The Germans awed the world with their "experiments" They did do what they were supposed to do, create an image of the all powerful Wermacht. The downfall was that they could have been used much more effectivly.

1. The V-3 (Destroyed in final stages of production)
An artillery piece so big that it had to be constructed mountain. It would fire super large shells that could reach much farther then London. As well as a velocity so strong that the shells could move large amounts of Earth before exploding. The Allies sent a massive armada of bombers to destroy it when it was found.

2. Me-262 (Mass produced)
A revolutionary jet fighter that could outrun anything the allies had many times over. A very active hunter of allied bombers.
This weapon was a true demoralizer as you can imagine only seeing many groups of twin smoke contrails in the air and then your fellow bombers suddenly exploding.

3.V-2 (Mass produced and used)
An amazing long range rocket that could possible have served to put a thorn in Britain's factories. The only downside was that it had a kilometer wide scale of where it could land. As well as that it was used for terror bombind; not military bombing.

4.Jagdtiger
A super *unstopable* tank which had armour so thick that it could not be pierced by anything the Allies could field. As well as the its massive gun which could pierce any tank that the allies could send against it. its massive downside was it was prone to breaking down as it was equiped with the much weaker Jagdpanther engine which was suited for a tank much lighter than itself.

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This just has to be Comedy Night

"They did do what they were supposed to do, create an image of the all powerful Wermacht" and that fell flat on it's bum as none of them worked as advertised making said Wehrmacht looking like fools.

That artillery piece couldn't budge, so it could