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| What If? Alternate History: Speculate about WWII battles that never were. Could the Axis have won? What if Hitler had the bomb? |

February 24th, 2008, 11:45 PM
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Re: Operation Sealion Should Have Happened
Yes there were.
The The 2nd AIF was amongst the almost 10,000 officers and men to disembark at Gourock UK,on the 17th June 1940. They comprised approximately one-third of the 6th Division and the corps troops raised with it, plus some 450 infantry reinforcements for that Division.
Second Australian Imperial Force - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Australian Army war diaries - Second World War
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February 25th, 2008, 02:44 AM
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Re: Operation Sealion Should Have Happened
Regardless of all the tactical decisions that Hitler could of made. Even If he Invaded England and not Russia, How long would he have lasted as a leader? There is strong evidence of Parkinsons, Drug addiction and possible Epilepsy. Sure, as History unfolded the way it did, the growing pressures of a losing war weighed heavily on him physically and mentally however, even if the war w/ Russia does'nt happen and Sea Lion was a success, would he have been around after much longer after 46'???
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February 25th, 2008, 11:38 PM
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Regardless of all the tactical decisions that Hitler could of made. Even If he Invaded England and not Russia, How long would he have lasted as a leader? There is strong evidence of Parkinsons, Drug addiction and possible Epilepsy. Sure, as History unfolded the way it did, the growing pressures of a losing war weighed heavily on him physically and mentally however, even if the war w/ Russia does'nt happen and Sea Lion was a success, would he have been around after much longer after 46'???
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This answer is moot, simply this, Hitler would not be in the same state, as someone who has worked in the medical proffession i can say that in almost all cases Parkinson's does not affect the mental capacity of the person, also epilepsy does not nesseraly effect a persons mental state. But getting on the subject you raise, just say Hitler was successful in invading Britain, then the whole situation changes, if we add that what you say that Barbarossa is cancelled, I can assure you that Hitler would have lived well into his eighties or nineties meaning that Germany would not need to look for a new Fuhrer until the 1960's of 1970's. Also once entrenched in Britain the German forces would never be evicted.
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February 25th, 2008, 11:55 PM
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Parkinson's does shortens one's life, though, and as he was already showing noticeable signs (no doubt exacerbated by the stress of a losing war) of it in his 50s, I would doubt his life span would extend into the 80s or 90s. Possible, but not probable.
Kai, neurosurgery is your forte, would you care to weigh in on this?
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February 26th, 2008, 01:53 PM
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Personally I consider that Hitler was crippled with both the burden of losing the war and also the chemicals that were injected into him. I´m quite sure that among other things he got at least amphetamine injections that made him feel "reborn" and ready to make new decisions during the meetings. However all these drugs also bit by bit were destroying him. Whether the shaking of Hitler was due to parkinson disease it well might be so, but because nobody has studied it well enough it´s hard to say. Some medications can cause such tremor as well, and also being addicted to some drug can cause withdrawal symptoms as well if you don´t get the drug in time.
It is also mentioned in some books that during WWI Hitler got some kinda shaking to his hand and upper body, the same hand as later in the 1940´s, which was caused by the shock after being under artillery fire for a long time, and it took a long time to recover from this.
However, if I should consider how long Hitler would have lived I cannot see any reason, if the fortune of war had turned, that he could not have lived up to 70+ years old with the knowledge of his health we have now. With the drugs being injected and the heavy burden making him older before his time, he would have died by 1947-48, is my guess.
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March 14th, 2008, 07:52 PM
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I saw a very interesting programme about the invasion of Britain from the British military side.
Sealion wouldn't have worked but if the Germans had launched a airborne assault during or straight after Dunkirk to capture British airbases in the south of England and then flew troops in, there was very little they could of done about this.
Morale was so low at the time in Britain and Churchill (don't forget) was not liked or trusted by the establishment. Its quite possible at this time Britain would have sued for peace.
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March 14th, 2008, 08:44 PM
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if the Germans had launched a airborne assault during or straight after Dunkirk to capture British airbases in the south of England and then flew troops in, there was very little they could of done about this.
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There's the problem of the heavy losses suffered in the invasion of the Netherlands by the transport aircraft and airbourne troops, and taking into account the transport aircraft still needed to support the continuing attack on the remains of the french army, the small amount of transport aircraft that could be used would be insufficient to land and supply any force of any military worth
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March 14th, 2008, 08:58 PM
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March 14th, 2008, 09:49 PM
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March 14th, 2008, 11:39 PM
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The Sealion post should be stickied, just for those posters who don't read the essays.
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March 14th, 2008, 11:49 PM
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Personally I consider that Hitler was crippled with both the burden of losing the war and also the chemicals that were injected into him. I´m quite sure that among other things he got at least amphetamine injections that made him feel "reborn" and ready to make new decisions during the meetings.
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IIRC the amphetamine was supposedly in something called vitamolten(spelling?)
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March 15th, 2008, 12:08 AM
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