What if the Polish successfully achieved what there objectives? (to push Germans out of the capitial and challenge Russia for sovereignty) Could it have been possible. Perhaps the Allies would be more accurate with there supplies and aid. And if the Russians helped with there supplies (though they did, but did not use parachutes for there supply drops so what ever was required was usually damaged). The Germans did not garrison or at least respond to the uprising quickly enough to crush it.

Perhaps this would make Stalin angry and would INVADE Poland aswell and suppress the Polish Home Army as did the Germans did in reality.

(The battle itself is really interesting as to know of the Polish capturing German equipment and using it against the creators truly impresses me, even though the final outcome was a sad one)

and also: Warsaw Uprising - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Basic sit down of the battle

(PPS: If this has been posted before im truly disappointed in my computer's ability to not able to search properly)

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You might like to check out this thread on the Poles use of German Tanks and AFVs.

Polish use of German Tanks and AFVs captured in the Warsaw Uprising 1944

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Assuming the Warsaw Uprising were successful and they might have been able to hold the Germans off, one has to remeber the Red Army was at the other side of the Vistula (with a few bridgeheads on the western side). The RA was at the end of the summer offensive begun in that sector of the front by Destruction of Army Group Centre, and after crossing the entire Bielorussia fighting through to the Vistula they had stopped at the geographical objective at the end of their logistical capability.

Well, there simply had been no coordination at all between the Polish and Soviet high comkmands regarding this situation, one might say that perhaps the Uprising was launched too soon while the Red Army was too far away, perhaps it would have been better if they waited and coordinated with the Vistula-to-Oder offensive that would come later. The city was finally taken by the RA and 1st Army of the People's Army of Poland in Jan '45.

If so, one has to remember that would create a pocket of belonging to the Polish Home Army in the middle of Soviet held land. Also there was already another Polish government-in-exile other than the one in London and whose sympathies lay further East... Somehow with more or less upheaval and/or dirty work the 'London Poles' government (remember Iraq's Chalabi?) would be replaced by the People's Republic of Poland.

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The possibility of pushing out the Germans did exist because of the circumstances of the time. Germany was fending off the Russians. As for challenging the Soviets, only way that could have happened is if the Western Allies threw in some mighty support of which they actually could not. So, the outcome would have been the same either way.

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An interesting point would have been if the Home Army could have captured a working airfield. That would have allowed the western Allies to fly in weapons, exiled leaders and even the Polish airborne brigade. The Soviets might have been forced to tolerate the Free Poles for a while but would eventually "convince" then to join a national unity government under the wise guidance of Comrade Stalin.

The operative words are "for a while"... In any case, logistically this would be an impossible exercise. How many people would you envisage ferrying, and what kind of losses would you expect?

To my mind the only possibility would have been better coordination with the Soviet Command, but then that would imply surrendering everything to the Soviets, of course. This was a last ditch attempt to put in place a liberated territory run by the "White Poles", in order to win leverage with the Reds (not the Poles, the Soviets, the Red Poles never had any say on anything).

A chivalrous but useless and doomed-from-the-start attempt, really.

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The Soviets would have crushed any Poles left fighting anyway. The Soviets actually HUNG BACK for awhile so that the Germans could deal with the Poles.

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