I would've. He was a legendary general. He served in both world wars. He was truely a living legend.

Why not. He definitely knew what he was doing and what he wanted. Must say the US military campaigns in Europe and Africa might have looked a bit "weak" without him in WW2.... Just my two cents...

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My father served in the ETO and said that when Patton's army group came through their area every one hid because of his habit of gang pressing any soldiers he could get his hands on.

Sure. If I had my pick I'd choose anywhere the Americans fought, with the exception of Bataan, over any other army.

Patton? Even better, long as I never encountered him face to face. Bradley would do just as well. I guess in 1944 being under Patton means being under Bradley by default anyway.

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"Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired, signifies in the final sense a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed."

In WW2 you didn't get the luxury of choosing the general you would fight under.

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if in doubt....Panic!!!!

Sure, it would have been the best chance of allied soldiers being allowed to shoot Russians.

Is that statement politically correct?

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-Dustin

"Zey send zer hounds! zey to vill find only death!"

Sorry, you may be right. It should have said "Russian soilders"

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"Add a step forward to it." A Spartan mother to her son when he complained his sword was too short.

"Murum aries attigit" The Ram has touched the wall.

Quite, otherwise the most famous WW2 Generals would have been staffers sitting around the WD in Westminster, or the Pentagon.

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Patton thought it might have been a good idea to rearm the Germans and take Russia. Actually Churchill was pretty sympathetic to that point of view as well.

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"Add a step forward to it." A Spartan mother to her son when he complained his sword was too short.

"Murum aries attigit" The Ram has touched the wall.

Fortunately, there were those above him who thought such statements were inappropriate when speaking of allies and relieved him of his duties.

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The war against Russia will be such that it cannot be conducted in a knightly fashion. This struggle is one of ideologies and racial differences and will have to be conducted with unprecedented, unmerciful and unrelenting harshness. -Adolf Hitler

and arranged for the car crash - allegedly

Regards

Richie

No, I would not! My Uncle did, and I've seen what he had to say about the man. Patton was far more interested in how he would be remembered by history to give a damn about the troops under him.

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"Don't one of you fire until you see the whites of their eyes! Powder is scarce and must not be wasted. Fire low! You are all marksmen and could kill a squirrel at a hundred yards. Reserve your fire and the enemy will all be destroyed! - Israel Putnam, at the Battle of Bunker Hill, 1775
"War is a conflict of great interests which is settled by bloodshed, and only in that is it different from others." - Karl von Clausewitz

No.

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'We march. The enemy is retreating in transport. We follow on foot.' Lt.Neil McCallum 5/7 Gordons 19th November 1942

Some Ally. I think the Soviets where more the "Enemy-that-flew-under-the-radar" than an ally. I mean the war really kicked off with the Germans invading Poland....hhhmmm lets see, were the Germans alone on that little activity. Uhm, nope. Did the Soviets declare war on Germany when Germany attacked Belgium, Luxemberg, France. No, no and no. They were only at war when they were atttacked.

The Soviets were no ones ally but their own. Basically the Soviets were lucky that the world was simply tired of war. Unfortunately for many central European countries, Patton wasn't listened to.

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"Add a step forward to it." A Spartan mother to her son when he complained his sword was too short.

"Murum aries attigit" The Ram has touched the wall.

Consider the relations between the West and the USSR. Were they hugging and kissing? No, nobody wanted anything to do with this Revolutionist state with a cruel man for a leader. Everybody was quite hateful of the Soviets during the 30s.

Forward to the forties. Re-emerging Germany is knocking down the west one state at a time. Why should Stalin care? These governments were no friends of his and better yet, Hitler seemed to be friendly towards Stalin's regime. All is well.

One year later Stalin is back stabbed by Hitler with a massive invasion. Im sure Churchill realized that the potency of Russia was their only hope of winning the war, USA and UK pledge to help Russia, with things looking bad Stalin accepts any help he can get. He puts aside differences with the west to Bring down Germany with a United Effort

1942, it is clear the tides have turned in the Ease.

1944, all hope is lost for the Germans, and the Russians are running towards Berlin. Overlord happen's so that the Soviets aren't in control of Europe.




While Stalin wasnt too fond of the west, he cooperated fully to destroy the German's from the East and then eventually the west.

Anybody thinking straight will agree that the Soviet's were the main reason that the Allies achieved victory over Germany. After all some 8 or 9 out of every ten dead Germans were in the east not the west. Stalin destroyed the Wehrmacht, while the Allies secured the territory that would have fallen to Stalin anyway.

Your head Must be pretty far in your butt to doubt the Russian's part in the war effort.


Most people agree that the German's had the best army in the world during 1943/44 so what if there was no Eastern front? What if they simply held their ground in Europe?

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-Dustin

"Zey send zer hounds! zey to vill find only death!"

I didn't say the Russians weren't helpful, I just said they helped themselves. I said that the idea of them being an ally is a very loose use of the term. I tend to think of them as the tolerated enemy. The beginning of your post even verifies my take that we and they were NOT friends.

Certainly they were not friends, or (choking laugh) liberators of central European countries. Yes, your take on the magnanimous Stalin putting aside his differences to aid the West is quite historically generous. Make sure your rose coloured glasses don't get stuck while extracting your own head.

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"Add a step forward to it." A Spartan mother to her son when he complained his sword was too short.

"Murum aries attigit" The Ram has touched the wall.

Are you insinuating that I respect the man? Heck no, you'd be a fool not to hate the man. I simply tried to put it into as simple a manner as possible.


I didnt say to aid the west either. I said he accepted their "Lend lease" because he was desperate for help during 1941. Im sure that soulless shell was grateful for that. They weren't as hostile after that and more or less were Allies of mutual benefits, per say.

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-Dustin

"Zey send zer hounds! zey to vill find only death!"

Actually this is also close to the point I was making when I said that if the Germans had achieved the victory in Russia in 1941 (should have) and consolidated that victory with resourses and industrial capacity then WW2 would have been very different. Unfortunately the German High Command allowed a lunatic to run the show. Germany would not have been the unnanomous global power by 1945 but it would have been an undisputed Superpower.

The A-bomb would have been a major concern but basically once Russia fell, they could leisurely take and own Middle East and North Africa and holidays in the Mediterranian.

The largest long term threat would be insurgency due to the continued stupid mistreatment of populations based on ethnic/racial grounds. But then again the Russians suffered no lesser fate from their very own leader. Makes me curious to understand what they (the Russian people) thought was the difference. I'm sure the strong subserviant peasant background had a considerable influence but they had only recently had a major revolution so they know how to overthrow leaders they did not want/like.

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"Add a step forward to it." A Spartan mother to her son when he complained his sword was too short.

"Murum aries attigit" The Ram has touched the wall.

Pehaps your right, they really didnt do much.

Did the United States declare war on Germany when Hitler attacked Belgium, Luxembourg, France? No, no and no.

Did GB or France declare war on Hitler when he took Rhineland, annexed Austria and Czechoslovakia? No


That's usually a good reason for war.


Well thank you for your change of heart.


These posts pretty much some up the numbers of books which you have read on the topic.

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The war against Russia will be such that it cannot be conducted in a knightly fashion. This struggle is one of ideologies and racial differences and will have to be conducted with unprecedented, unmerciful and unrelenting harshness. -Adolf Hitler

I think you quoted the wrong person Rule

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-Dustin

"Zey send zer hounds! zey to vill find only death!"

Would I serve with Patton?

If I had a choice probably not.

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The war against Russia will be such that it cannot be conducted in a knightly fashion. This struggle is one of ideologies and racial differences and will have to be conducted with unprecedented, unmerciful and unrelenting harshness. -Adolf Hitler

I expect nothing less.

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The war against Russia will be such that it cannot be conducted in a knightly fashion. This struggle is one of ideologies and racial differences and will have to be conducted with unprecedented, unmerciful and unrelenting harshness. -Adolf Hitler

yep.

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Best Regards,
JW