Its possible that this action was kept in high secrecy? Not to mention the amounts of records destroyed by the 6th Army prior to surrendering. Who knows!

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Wilconqr---Stalingrad is my favorite battle to study about as well as the Eastern Front is my favorite area to study about.

Erich is correct in what he also said about the SS Sniper School and the so called "Major Konigs." I too have that documentary on tape--its pretty good for the most part but, do you realize what book they got their info from? They got it from Enemy At The Gates, which is less than truthful.

Yes--Zaitsev was at Stalingrad, but there never was a duel with any rival German Army Sniper. Oh and no Waffen SS personnel ever fought in Stalingrad.

If you have a copy of Senichs book on German Snipers--you might find the info on where the Germans had Sniper Schools set up at and when they were in operation. I do have the book but have not done more than look at the pictures in it because it wasnt the kind of book I had thought it was. Anyway, ill try to remember to look in it and see if there are a list of German Sniper Schools and a list of their Commanders. I doubt there is one in there, but ill try to remember to look.

Anyway, there was no Major Konigs who was a Sniper Instructor at that time, nor was there a Sniper School on Berlin. Now there was a Sniper School in Zossen--but there was no Konigs as a CO there either.

"One Shot One Kill" sounds like Carlos Hathcocks book. Carlos Hathcock was an American Sniper in the Vietnam War--fairly recently deceased--unfortunately.

I do have that episode of Suicide Missions on tape.

Now--providing that their is a slight shread of a chance that there was a Sniper Duel in Stalingrad, and considering the vast amounts of books, vet interviews and Documentaries on this subject. Why is is that The World At War series Narrated by Sir Lawrence Olivier "Stalingrad" episode--never mentioned anything about a Sniper duel? NOr has the excellent series: "Battleline" never mentioned anything about a sniper duel. Nor has "Battlefields" Doc series mentioned it.

The World At War series had many many people interviewed for each eposide--all who were there. Battleline--was a Doc series done in the 1950s and or earlt 1960s, and they specialized having soldiers from both sides in their own voices--in each episode. I also have all of Battlelines on tape. Anyway--this series was done early enough to be able to have interviews with almost any major participant and personality. Why was there never a mention of a duel their either?

And last but not least, there was a Doc series done by Walter Kronkite called: "The 20th Century" which was only on ww2, and this series I think is even older than battleline is, and he also had interviews with even more major personalities than they had in World At War and Battleliines combined. Though its been years since I last saw a "20th Century" I do remember the eposide that they had where they interviewed General von Choltitz, who was the German CO of Paris and who refused to destroy the city.

Anyway, my point is is that the duel is a fictional story that an author like Craig or whatever his name is, is trying to pass off as being true.

No offenses meant by my long ramblings. I just cant stand it when some author blatantly tries to change history to fit his own needs. [img]smile.gif[/img]

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breezing through a new book given to me by Carl.......ospreys P-38 aces of the ETO/MTO.

A pretty good little book which has some nice coverage of the 20th, 55th and 479th fighter groups of the 8th AF, groups you would normally think of as P-51 outfits. Many colour profiles

thanks bud !

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Quite welcome--glad you liked it. [img]smile.gif[/img]

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It is true that there were absolutely not even A man of the SS at Stalingrad. Not even one of VI Army's 350.000 men were SS. But there were some sniper duels in the city. There are always snipers in infantry divisions and it was normal in urban fighting to call a friendly sniper to kill the enemy sniper. But there was for sure no Major Koenigs... Just minor German snipers, who were surely chased by a dozen Russian snipers and killed like dogs...

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"A mon fils: depuis que tes yeux sont fermes les miens n’ont cessé de pleurir." - Mère française, Verdun

And Generaloberst Paulus was promoted to Generalfeldmarschall by a telegram sent by Hitler on January 30th 1943, just fifteen days earlier he had been 'awarded' the Oakleaves to his Knight's Cross. But in February 1st Russian troops reached his headquarters and captured him. That very afternnon he signed a symbolic surrender of his no longer existent VI Army.

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Erich--how do you like those books so far? [img]smile.gif[/img]

Also, hoping the new injuries are healing quickly [img]smile.gif[/img]

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looks good from what I have seen so far. Relatives coming in today for four days so I am in a state of wandering. got an ice pack on the right side of my face......boy do I look dumb ! thanks for asking....

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What did you injure Erich. I hope it is not something you need.

I came across anouther good list of books while researching a question in the free fire Zone....... http://www.hallhistory.com/military/314.shtml

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My 3 latest are:

- Clash of Arms by Stephen Hart

- Roads to Falaise by Ken Tout

a non WWII book but still a good one

- The Red Baron by Peter Kilduff

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Mahross--please let me know what you think of the Red Baron book please? I NEED to start doing more ww1 reading.

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Well, getting back on topic my latest ones are:

"Rommels War in Africa" by Wolf Heckmann

"Battle of Western Europe" by Michael Tamelander

"Red Storm on the Reich" by Cristopher Duffy

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Heart, How is the Rommel book by Heckmann? I bought it myself a few months ago and it is in my to-read pile....

Should I bring it to the top or bootom?

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Bring it to the top! It is very readable and enjoyable, in much the same way as Cornelius Ryan.

Rommel-fans beware though - Heckmann paints a pretty objective portrait and brings forward some less than charming personal qualities about the sly ole' Fox...

...I'll just leave that comment there as a cliffhanger)...

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Thanks Heartland!

If it is like Ryan's book, it should be great!

I have the German edition, so that'll do wonders for my German reading skills...

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Stevin i'm still reading Hitlers Gladiator--and I like it a lot -- and thank you for it [img]smile.gif[/img] After I finish this--i'm going to read: "Ostfront: Hitler's War On Russia 1941-45" by: Charles Winchester.

I just bought it today and have done some reading already. It seems to be well-written and had many nice photos and art work in it. A majority of the art is by Ron Volstad.

After this--i'm going to buy another Osprey title that is a 2 vol set on German Fokker D-VII aces. I'm here late today because of reading this book at Barnes and Nobles. This one is VERY well done. [img]smile.gif[/img]

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Fokker DVII aces ? is that right ?! that sounds cool. will like your opinions on that after you receive the set.

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Oh on already reading vol.1--vol 2 isnt out yet but vol.1 is EXCELLENT--and i'll be buying that book sometime this week. [img]smile.gif[/img] It also has many many great pics of these ww1 aces i've never seen before. The Aircraft profiles are very well done as well.

Just from vol 1, i've gleaned some nice info--some I had known and some I had not.

For example:

The top three German Aces in ww1 were:

Rittmeister Manfred von Richthoffen with 80-82 victories. He was in command of Jasta 1 until he was killed in action and Oberleutnant Hermann Goring became the next and final Co of Jasta 1. ((This I had known))

Leutnant der Reserve Ernst Udet with 62 victories while serving with Jasta 4. ((This I had not known as well as Udets victory Nr's.

Leutnant Fritz Friedrichs with 54 victories included in this total were 21 Balloons. He served with Jasta 10. ((I had not know this info on these two men.

All I can say is that I love Osprey Aviation titles. [img]smile.gif[/img]

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Carl :

Ah I didn't know that the Baron flew a D VII since he was killed in a triplane.... hhhhhhmmmm ?
ok I'm stumped.

by chance do you also own "German Knights of the air, 1914-1918 by Treadwell and Wood ?

All I have on the Fokker 7 is the squadron/Signal piece.

Carl,

"Ostfront: Hitler's War On Russia 1941-45" by: Charles Winchester.It´s a very good book. Especially interesting stats on both sides make it worth while so the huge losses can just make you amazed...

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Carl i've only just started reading it but seems very good so far. has a list of his kills in the back.

the latest book on my never ending reading list is:
- The Charge of the Bull: A History of the 11th British Armoured Division in Normandy 1944 by Jean Brisset and translated by Tom Bates.

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