Know Im off topic Erich..but got to shout out for the old Sopwith Camel..tells you my taste in operational aircraft of the wars..especially when I choose the Fairey Battle for ww2.

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I agree with you Erich--except on replenishing squadron titles. I never really cared for them except for a thick book they put out on German Panzer camo schemes on the Eastern Front--which I still have--luckily. [img]smile.gif[/img]

Urgh--I too like the Sopwith Camel--had a nice 1 3/5th scale model of one once--I blasted it to smithereeens with firecrackers.

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Shall we set up the Sopwith Camel fan club? Fantastic aircraft, perhapse the most agile fighter of WW1 and probably better than the Snipe really. Actually I have always been a fan of the Dolphin as well, shame so many pilots disliked it as it looks like a good aircraft on paper. Little factoid, the Sopwith Pup's turning circle was far better on one side than another (the left I seem to remember) and so when designing the Camel Sopwith took this into account and compensated. As a result the Camel turned far better to the other side (the right funnily enough). Finally the main reason the Camel was so agile was because it had a degree of inherant instability and so could be thrown around all over the place, but only by a skilled pilot. Actually the Se.5 was technically a better aircraft, particularly for new pilots, but it was more stable than the Camel and hense less agile.

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The Sopwith triplane was a good fighter also for the Royal Navy. The Germans copied it and called it the Fokker Dr.1

On the Camel, I can not understand why they used a rotory engine this late in the war. That is what made it turn on a dime but also kill many inexperienced pilots. Early in the war they used rotory engines because they were easier to keep cool with the whole engine spinning but later on they learned how to cowl the engines for better cooling performace.

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Carl, you did that too...I used to take many hours making ww2 ship models, only to place em against shed in back garden, retire a good distance, get 22 air rifle and blow the things to smithereens... Maybe its a trait in us war forum guys...

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it's interesting how a thread can go ballistic in just a few posts. I meant to replenish the WW 1 German aviation titles. Squadron has been a leader in soft-back, cheaply done books for many a year. They have done well with re-introducing many aviation titles with updated information from leading experts. And for the buck they are still the best bet, I think even over Osprey titles which on many instances and even today overcolour their profiles with bogus information. For booklets chalk full of photos you can't go wrong for the price. Sure the pics have been enlarged and usually scanned off lousy in other volumes but......
Personally on WW 1 I would love to see an off-shoot of Otto's Ww 2 forums, as tere could be much useful information to be had by all interested. Surprised that our English friends have not mentioned the Spad in any form. The Camel was a great a/c to be sure.

~E

Although personally I've always had rather a soft-spot for the SE5a..... [img]tongue.gif[/img]

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Hi Urgh--Erich.

Erich--heh heh heh--the threads about to go in another direction but only because I MUST tell this little story.

Urgh--you made me laugh at when you said: "Maybe it's a trait in us war forums guys."

Too true--too true

Now for the story.

Almost every model I ever made ended their days with--pellet gunfire--firecrackers--or being melted in the BBQ pit.

Many-a-plastic toy soldier ended their days nailed to my dads wooden fence in the backyard. I used to go buy a pack of 50 of them and nail them all to the fence and proceed with pellet gun target practice.

Some figures had a pellet stuck in their chests--others lost an arm or a leg--and still--others were decapitated--or had a huge hole in their helmet. Sometimes their weapon was shot into two pieces.

I once had a 1/32nd scale Fokker tri-plane. I tied kite string to the wing struts of the Red Barons plane. I used to go to the churchyard across the street from my house--and "flew" my Tri-plane.

When building these--I glues the heck out of them so they were more durable.

I was able to "fly" it many times--when one day--I got a bit too close to the Spire of the Church. I was going round and round in circles and having fun when all of a sudden--the Red Barons Tri-plane--crashed into the side of the spires all brick base. Needless to say, it was badly damaged but, still salvagable.

I picked up the broken parts and reglued them back together as best as possible. This particuler model finally met with fate--when it had a date with many firecrackers.

I used to have a 1/300 scale model of the Tirpitz. Took forever to finish building it. About a year after I finished it--it got damaged in a fall from the shelf it was sitting on--thanks to my cat.

This one also had a date with fate--and this time--it was sunk by BB Gunfire--instead of mini sub attacks and airplane attacks. [img]smile.gif[/img]

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Hmmm - who was that character in ' Toy Story ' - Sid ?? [img]tongue.gif[/img]

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Hmmmm, Carl "Sid" Evans destroying his toys! I must liberate his medal and badge collection! Onward I go.....

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I must admit--I used to have destructive streak about myself but, now I have a tendency to be a pack-rat.

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This is a great thread. Now I don't feel like such a freak anymore.

My numerous models also succumed to BB-guns and fire, mostly. The most heroic last stand was made by the 1/72 Lancaster, which received heavy AA damage (BB gun) and caught fire (stuffed BB holes with cotton wads which was set alight) over Berlin (stuck on a rock in my parents garden). None of the brave crew survived the explosion as the fire got out of hand (cracker in bomb bay). RIP.

The hours wasted on building and painting - argh! [img]smile.gif[/img]

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Have you tried tying a few firecrackers together by their fuses and stuffing them into areas on toy sildiers and lighting the fuses? Makes for some hilarious "bangs."

Sometimes some survive--somtimes some get a broken arm or a severed leg and sometimes they just lose a hand or part of their rifle.

If you think that Stalingrad was a tough fight--my back yard was even tougher. [img]smile.gif[/img]

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Carl it is definetly the Peter Kilduff book. It lists all of his kills.

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Thank you fo rclarifying that for me Mahross. One other question--what is the color of the dust jacket?

The two books I saw one had I think a tan or light brown cover and the other was a darker Red color.

It's been too long since I have seen my book--I can't remember which I did get. I'm thinking i did get the one listing all of the Red Barons kills--at least i'm honping that is the one. [img]smile.gif[/img]

I'm going to be going through two large boxes of books this weekend--hopefully its among these books.

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Carl does it look like this:
http://images.amazon.com/images/P/04...1.LZZZZZZZ.jpg
My copy has just got a picture of Richtofen on the front in a sepia tone and is in paperback. I have seen several different cover to it. so can't be of a great help.

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Reading a book on the Iran situation 1941-42, as the country was invaded by the Russians and the British in 1941 ( August ).

It is called " The big jump" but unfortunately I don´t have the author´s name with me. It originally was released in the late 1950´s, I have the Finnish version early 1960´s.



The country was divided in two as you can see.

For Lend lease the railway system effort was up to 5 times the normal!!

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Hi Mahross--I haven't seen the book you have but--I did find it listed in a site that Erich posted the link for.

Last night, I went through one box of books--was trying for two but was too tired from the days activities to do more. Anyway, I didn't find my copy in that box--and will do the other one tonight--hopefully it's in that one. If not, iv'e no clue where it is.

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Just finished reading "Masters of Death" by Richard Rhodes- although rather grim and morbid it was a good read and hard to put down. Trying to decide on starting either "The Battle for Leningrad- 1941-1944" by David M. Glantz or reading either of two books I bought as a set from Military Book Club- "Knight's of Bushido" or "Scourge of the Swastika," both are pretty old.
And ah oh yeah, just added a Nieuport 28, of Eddie Rickenbacker fame, to my ongoing 60+ diecast aircraft collection. Someone tell me why one MG was put on the port side fuesalage instead of atop the cowling as the other.

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Just went to my local bookstore and ordered "SS Wiking" to add to my series. Wonder why they skipped the Polezi Division though.

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Wilconqr--AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHh I see someone else is collecting that series too. I have Leibstandarte, Das Reich and Wiking as well.

As far as I know--it's a continuing series--according to Barnes and Nobles bookstore. I don't have a clue when any others will be published.

I had heard that Polizei was not released because of some severe errors and it was sent back to be re-done. I don't know if that is fact or not.

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