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October 14th, 2007, 08:02 PM
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Re: British Armour in the Normandy Campaign J Buckley
I hadn't realised it had been reprinted at a sensible price, last time I went shopping for the thing it had reached quite ludicrous levels.
So thanks for that.
I shall throw it on the 'to read' pile and get back to you in a few months  .
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October 14th, 2007, 08:13 PM
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Re: British Armour in the Normandy Campaign J Buckley
The hardback price is outrageous!
Apropos, since I'm new here, are there any discussions about military performance in Normandy?
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October 14th, 2007, 08:39 PM
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Re: British Armour in the Normandy Campaign J Buckley
I have also been waiting for this to come out in an affordable edition. I have had a look at it, and read the author's article on this subject in another publication, but to pay the hardback price... I would rather spend it on another regimental history.
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October 26th, 2007, 01:54 PM
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Re: British Armour in the Normandy Campaign J Buckley
OK - I've ordered a copy via Amazon.
If we can get away from recent mud-slinging and brickbats, I think it is important to read some of the latest material about the Normandy campaign. I have greatly enjoyed reading Carlo D'Este and Max Hastings ( and also Belfield/Essame etc ) and I don't believe in 'revisionism' for the sake of it.
But I enjoyed reading Brian Reid's 'No Holding Back' and I'm looking forward to seeing Buckley's book.....
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October 28th, 2007, 10:43 PM
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Re: British Armour in the Normandy Campaign J Buckley
Gents - I can highly recommend this work. John was one of my lecturers when doing my undergraduate studies. The book offers a new and refreshing look at British armoured operations in Normandy. Certainly worth the hardback prices but certain a worthwhile investment in the paperback.
A note on these prices. You have to remember that Taylor and Francis, who own Routledge/Frank Cass, consider there primary market as university and research libraries. These will buy any book that is suggested to them by a lecturer no matter the cost. This means they charge a lot. It is a shame but that is the way they view it.
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October 29th, 2007, 01:02 PM
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Re: British Armour in the Normandy Campaign J Buckley
Good preview on Google books:
British Armour in the Normandy ... - Google Book Search
It (Google books) seems to be turning into a useful resource at last, the stumbling block for me on internet book buying is always not being able to have a proper 'feel' of the tome, and this takes me a step closer.
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October 29th, 2007, 02:29 PM
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Re: British Armour in the Normandy Campaign J Buckley
alright then since this seems to be a hot book for whatever reason(s) I for one am expecting forum members to have multi-replies as to a sensible and readable and constructive criticism when read............how about it gents ?
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October 29th, 2007, 05:42 PM
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I was thinking the same, mine's in the post too (hopefully).
The ww2f reading group...
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October 29th, 2007, 05:44 PM
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You do chapter 1, I'll do chapter 2.....
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October 29th, 2007, 10:03 PM
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Re: British Armour in the Normandy Campaign J Buckley
And then we can do Ruckmarsch caption by caption... should only take about 3 years...
Just a small note that the cheapest UK supplier I found for Buckley's book was direct from the publisher, as they offer free postage on books £20+ so it just qualifies.
Welcome to Taylor and Francis Books
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somehow I am thinking I am not going to receive the proper critique that I was looking for .............. 
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November 2nd, 2007, 10:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Von Poop
Just a small note that the cheapest UK supplier I found for Buckley's book was direct from the publisher, as they offer free postage on books £20+ so it just qualifies.
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And then they send you a piece of paper many days later to inform you that. contrary to indication on the web. it's out of stock and they'll charge your card when it's available...
Next!
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Re: British Armour in the Normandy Campaign J Buckley
My copy just arrived - by recorded delivery as well.... 
It's now added to my Normandy 'to read' pile......
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My copy just arrived - by recorded delivery as well....
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hmmmmmmmmmmm 3 or should say 2 on the same day, my expectations are high gents !
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Re: British Armour in the Normandy Campaign J Buckley
this looks really good, and i would love to read it! thanks!
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November 12th, 2007, 08:35 AM
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Re: British Armour in the Normandy Campaign J Buckley
It finally arrived just this moment from the publisher.
I suspect their distribution system is geared towards larger orders...
Still quite a slim volume for £20 isn't it! 
(but nicely produced)
Looking forward to reading it asap.
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November 21st, 2007, 05:57 PM
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Just coming up to chapter four of this book. It is a most interesting read on one of 'my' subjects....
So far, not as smooth to read as Copp's book ( which is probably more of a reflection on me...  ) and I'm just a little confused about the claims made for the book ; other writers have criticised British armour for 'failure' in Normandy and reading this convinces me that not all was down to the tanks or crews - inappropriate doctrine and tactics were imposed but the result still seems to me to have often been .... failure.
And, although I haven't yet reached discussion of the opposition, I still have a deep-seated feeling that the Germans were rather better at tank warfare 1944-style, depite the fact that the advantage lies with the defenders.....
Good to see that the author doesn't 'trash' Carlo D'Este's book - while disagreeing with some of C d'E's points, 'Decision In Normandy' is frequently cited in the notes.
On we go.....
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Just coming up to chapter four of this book. It is a most interesting read on one of 'my' subjects....
So far, not as smooth to read as Copp's book ( which is probably more of a reflection on me... ) and I'm just a little confused about the claims made for the book ; other writers have criticised British armour for 'failure' in Normandy and reading this convinces me that not all was down to the tanks or crews - inappropriate doctrine and tactics were imposed but the result still seems to me to have often been .... failure.
And, although I haven't yet reached discussion of the opposition, I still have a deep-seated feeling that the Germans were rather better at tank warfare 1944-style, depite the fact that the advantage lies with the defenders.....
Good to see that the author doesn't 'trash' Carlo D'Este's book - while disagreeing with some of C d'E's points, 'Decision In Normandy' is frequently cited in the notes.
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on chapter 3 & would agree that it not a smooth read
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November 21st, 2007, 08:19 PM
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Re: British Armour in the Normandy Campaign J Buckley
At about chapter four too, I'm finding it rather good, I know exactly what you mean about the 'result often being... failure' thing Martin but also have the feeling that bricks are being laid to support a somewhat more cohesive hypothesis/conclusion that it was nowhere near the level of failure that history has painted. So far it reads like a selection of individual academic papers that link together rather than a smooth narrative history but I suspect he's had to put some style aside in order to cram in so much concise analysis.
So far... worth the price of admission; we'll see .
(And the notes are indeed worth a mention, always nice to see any significant statement referenced.)
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