Axis

Members: 5,144
Threads: 16,679
Posts: 206,908
Online: 203

Newest Member:
bigtone

 
 
 
Go Back   World War II Forums > General Discussion > WWII General
Register FAQ Gallery Members List Calendar Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read


WWII General Open WW2 discussion

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
  #1 (permalink)  
Old November 18th, 2003, 02:47 PM
Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Wolverhampton, England
Posts: 56
OX and BUCKS Light Infrantry is an unknown quantity at this point
Did anyone see the programme on the history channel last night regarding the SOE plans to kill Hitler?
They had an interview with one of his bodyguards who was with him right up until the end in Berlin. He stated that it would have been very simple for the allies to have killed Hitler as he was a great creature of habit and would often wander about on his own on walks etc.

Was it simply that he was better off left running the German army rather than someone who knew what was going on?

Seems that the Germans themselves had the best attempts......One bomb planted by a Mr Elser missed him by 13 minutes as he had left for Berlin by train after only speaking for an hour instead of his usual two and a half ....Killed about eight other Nazi's though

Regards Graham
__________________
Major General Gales‘ Special Order of the Day dated 4 June 1944 was as follows: "My final words to you are to see to it that what you gain by stealth you hold with guts. In the words of a great Captain, Pray to God and keep your powder dry. God bless you. GO TO IT".
Reply With Quote
  #2 (permalink)  
Old November 18th, 2003, 03:34 PM
KnightMove's Avatar
Veteran
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Austria
Posts: 1,163
KnightMove is an unknown quantity at this point
Post

There were incredibly many tries to take out the m**********r.... hell of bad luck none of them suceeded.
__________________
If someone tries to remove the speck in your right eye, will you turn to him the other also?
Reply With Quote
  #3 (permalink)  
Old November 18th, 2003, 05:20 PM
Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Flanders
Posts: 844
De Vlaamse Leeuw is an unknown quantity at this point
Post

There were indeed a lot of attemts to kill Hitler and the one that could have been succesfull - if not for the tabel - was the one of Von Stauffenberg.

But I also read in some book that if Hitler would have been killed, that there might have been a civil war in Germany. Let's say a battle for power between the SS and the Wehrmacht.
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #4 (permalink)  
Old November 18th, 2003, 09:05 PM
Friedrich's Avatar
Ace
 
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: Citizen of the world, though quite misantropic!
Posts: 6,393
Friedrich will become famous soon enough
The only real chances there were of getting rid of Hitler were the early assessination attempts in the 1930s - which would have made a hero of Hitler - or the General Staff plots of 1938 and 1944. The first was ruined by Sir Neville Chamberlain and the second by an ill-planned coup d'état.
__________________
"War is less costly than servitude, the choice is always between Verdun and Dachau." - Jean Dutourd, French veteran of both world wars

"A mon fils: depuis que tes yeux sont fermes les miens n’ont cessé de pleurir." - Mère française, Verdun
Reply With Quote
  #5 (permalink)  
Old November 18th, 2003, 10:12 PM
KnightMove's Avatar
Veteran
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Austria
Posts: 1,163
KnightMove is an unknown quantity at this point
Post

Of course Elser DID have a perfect chance... just a little wrong timing again.
__________________
If someone tries to remove the speck in your right eye, will you turn to him the other also?
Reply With Quote
  #6 (permalink)  
Old November 25th, 2003, 07:32 PM
Kai-Petri's Avatar
Kenraali
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Kotka, Finland
Posts: 14,014
Kai-Petri is just really niceKai-Petri is just really niceKai-Petri is just really niceKai-Petri is just really niceKai-Petri is just really niceKai-Petri is just really nice
Interesting to know the different parties working against each other:

Why the German coup against Hitler did not have success in the west ( at least some reasons to it )

http://www.joric.com/Conspiracy/Nemesis.html



Kim Philby

http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/histori...y_harold.shtml

Philby's Soviet mentors make it clear to him that a German coup d'etat resulting in the overthrow of the Nazi system by pro-West anti-Soviet conservative forces is Moscow's nightmare scenario.

Philby's secret mission is to report to his Soviet handlers the slightest sign of an Anglo-German dialogue and to sabotage to his full capacity at his level any and all secret German offers to establish a working dialogue that could end the war between Britain and Germany.

An intelligence study on the growing rift between the German General Staff and the Nazi regime surfaces in Section-5 and incites a great deal of interest and excitement. . Its central premise was that World War II in Europe could be speedily ended if only the British government were willing to give the German General Staff the right incentive to launch a coup d'etat - a guarantee that if the German Army overthrew Hitler and the Nazi regime, an armistice and a negotiated peace settlement could soon take place. Section-5 Deputy Chief and Soviet agent Kim Philby wastes no time censoring the report to make certain it never goes beyond Section-5.

Philby again sabotages the efforts of the German conspirators :German conspiracy emissary Otto John who has supplied leading Army Group Center conspirator Colonel Henning von Tresckow with the blueprints of Hitler's Condor aircraft, makes contact with an SIS officer code-named 'Tony' who works for the British embassy in Lisbon.He was given strict instructions from London forbidding any contact with 'emissaries of the German opposition'.The "strict instructions from London" in fact come from Philby, who has suppressed Tony's report of his initial meeting with Otto John on the grounds that the German emissary is "unreliable".

In February 1944, a senior German Abwehr officer, Eric Vermehren, serving in the German consulate in Istanbul, defects with his wife Elizabeth to British intelligence. Having arrived in England, they supply their debriefing officer with a complete list of Germany's most prominent Catholic political activists working against the Nazi regime. According to the Vermehrens, the people on this list would be crucial to helping the western Allies set up a post-nazi anti-communist government in Germany. Tragically for the anti-communist German opposition to Hitler, the debriefing officer assigned to the Vermehrens is none other than Kim Philby.

Shortly after the war, when American and British secret service agents attempt to contact the Germans on the Vermehren list, they learn to their horror that nearly all of them have been killed. A generation later, it is discovered that Philby had passed on the list to his Soviet controllers and that the KGB had assassinated nearly everyone on that list.


__________________
Reply With Quote
  #7 (permalink)  
Old November 26th, 2003, 03:28 AM
KnightMove's Avatar
Veteran
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Austria
Posts: 1,163
KnightMove is an unknown quantity at this point
Post

Oh f***... this guy really did have some vile impact on world history!

The Vermehren list is interesting. After the war, the Soviets kidnapped an Austrian conservative politician & economist, Margarete Ottilinger, and kept her arrested for no obvious reason. Maybe she was on this list?
__________________
If someone tries to remove the speck in your right eye, will you turn to him the other also?
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Google
 

All times are GMT. The time now is 12:10 PM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.0
Copyright ©2000 - 2008, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO 3.2.0 RC5
Copyright © 2000 - 2007, the World War II Network, all rights reserved.Ad Management by RedTyger

Allies