Yeah You are absolutely Right !!

Oh dear...

The Poles were equipped in the same ways as other British, Canadian, French, Norweigan, Dutch and Belgium Parachute forces that served as Allied airborne contigents.

Your accusation that they were poorly equipped is wrong.

"There were in the United Kingdom towards the end of 1943 several Allied airborne contingents. The strongest of these was the Polish Parachute Brigade which consisted of a Brigade HQ, a Light Battery, a parachute squadron of engineers, a parachute field ambulance, a signals section and four parachute battalions. Difficulty was experienced initially with the Poles as they were stationed in Scotland a long way from the main British Airborne centres and no transport aircraft were available for them other than their own Polish Bomber squadrons. On the formation of HQ Airborne Troops, these problems were solved and the brigade was given adequate training."

From War Office File - Airborne Forces Pg 147

I dont think that its even worth continuing to discuss the topic with you as you do not seem capable of acting in a sensible manner.

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sensible manner mean not in your favor? [img]smile.gif[/img] ))
sorry
its time to loose impression that you know about those facts more then others
because its simply not true

And you don't have to discuss with me If you dont want to
Godd bye and stay in your Illusion World

I am very glad that I had the privilege to meet a number of Polish veterans at Oosterbeek and Driel last September. I was impressed by their calm dignity and lack of bitterness, and I came away with an abiding respect for them and their Nation.

The same qualities appear not to hold true to later generations..... [img]graemlins/no.gif[/img]

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I quite agree Martin.

A friend of my Mother is a Polish Countess. Her and her husband fled to Britain after the Germans invaded. He was quite high up in the military and they were a wonderful couple who were happy to live in a small house in surrey. Her story would make for an amazing tale...

LOL! Whatever Sanchev! You asked for my sources so I gave you one from the British War Office, you said the Polish Paras were poorly equipped and you were wrong.

I like my illusionary world... Its the one where the Allied Armies and the Soviet Armies beat Germany in the war...

Although Im begining to understand wht Adolf went into Poland first... Perhaps he met an ancestor of yours in a debating society somewhere...

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And as I cant resist a good scrap...

"Polish resistance estimated to number 300,000"

From The History Guide - Lectures on 20th Century Europe.

"Tito's Yugoslav Partisans consisted of 800,000 soldiers with 14,000 Officers."

From Answers.com

"Tito eventually built up the largest tank force employed by any resistance organisation in Europe during World War Two."

From Zaloga - The Eastern Front

So... is it still Poland with the largest resistance force?

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Red and Martin - LOL

As to the yuoth of Poland they aren't all that bad. I have a Polish friend at uni and he is alright, but then again he isn't interested in history!!

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Well Im just waiting for Stanchevs reply to my last post...

I hope he will answer my question this time instead of just ignoring it...

And I even posted my sources for him. [img]smile.gif[/img]

I wonder if he has sources that dispute the figures for numbers in the resistance...

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Then I supposse the Germans were stupid... how on Earth then they launched anti-partisan operations in the Balcans 14 divisions-strong with plenty of air support if the Polish resistance was so much larger and more effective?

I will also want to add a few things:

Paul Johnson, A History of the Jews.

Sir Martin Gilbert, The Holocaust.

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"A mon fils: depuis que tes yeux sont fermes les miens n’ont cessé de pleurir." - Mère française, Verdun

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I never knew any of that Freddy... Thanks [img]graemlins/poppy.gif[/img]

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Oh boy

How about this, by a British member of the Anglo-French mission in Poland, who saw what really happened, and what could have happened, had the soviets won in 1920:
The history of contemporary civilization knows no event of greater importance than the Battle of Warsaw, 1920, and none of which the significance is less appreciated. The danger menacing Europe at that moment was parried, and the whole episode was forgotten. Had the battle been a Bolshevik victory, it would have been a turning point in European history, for there is no doubt at all that the whole of Central Europe would at that moment have been opened to the influence of Communist propaganda and to Soviet invasion, which it could with difficulty have resisted. It is evident from speeches made in Russia during the war against Poland that the Soviet plans were very far-reaching. In the more industrialized German towns plans were made on a large scale to proclaim a Soviet regime a few days after Warsaw had fallen... Several times Poland has been the bulwark of Europe against Asiatic invasion, yet never had Poland's services been greater, never had the danger been more imminent. The events of 1920 also deserve attention for another reason: victory was attained above all thanks to the strategical genius of one man and thanks to the carrying through of a manoeuvre so dangerous as to necessitate not only genius, but heroism... It should be the task of political writers to explain to European opinion that Poland saved Europe in 1920...

I won't degrade the heroism of the Finns who fought the red vampire, but if Poland had forests all over, and was covered in snow, I think WWII would have turned out a lot differently.

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Yeah and Poles killed all jews of Europe, and also started the II World War

German and French soldiers were defending the Europe

Maybe you will write new history Mr. David Irving hehehe

Your response is completely pointless and irrelevant to Freddy's posting.

But you wont answer my question though??

Do you still state that Poland had the largest resistance force?

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"Watch that Fu*ker, he'll 'ave someones eye out!" King Harold at Hastings 1066.

French soldiers- the real defenders of Jews in Europe hahahaha

Instead of making pointless posts why dont you actually try and answer my question? Or will you just ignore it as it proved you wrong?

Or perhaps you want me to post pictures of Polish Police helping in the rounding up of Jews in the Warsaw Ghetto?

Gonna ask you again... Do you stand by your comment that Poland had the largest Resistance force in Europe?

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"Watch that Fu*ker, he'll 'ave someones eye out!" King Harold at Hastings 1066.

Your numbers about Tito partizan army come from 1945 when there was quite a large part of Yugoslavia liberated by the Soviets.
Poland had the biggest number in Europe during whole war against Germany being occupied and having the most oppressed regime any counrty coud imagine

same time you can compare French resistance to Soviet army

You seem to forget that The Polish Underground actively supported the Ghetto Uprising; it supplied arms and organized military actions.
On May 8th, after an admirable defense, the bunker at Mila 18 Street fell, and the staff of the Jewish Combat Organization, together with their commander all gave up their lives. The uprising fell by mid-May, but sporadic fighting continued well into the middle of July. A portion of those insurgents who survived were evacuated by the Polish Resistance to the "Arian" side via sewers.

Why are you so anti-French Stanchev?

But anyway I think we have established your racist slant...

"By the end of 1942, Serbia was contributing two brigades to the Partisans as against Slovenia's four, Bosnia-Herzegovina's ten and Croatia's eighteen. By the end of 1943 the figures were: Serbia proper - five brigades; Vojvodina - five; Slovenia - at least seventeen; Bosnia-Herzegovina - twenty three; Croatia - thirty eight"

John Ellis gives an approximate figure of 150,000+ partisans in 1942 and 370,000+ in 1943. Unlike the amazing documentation of the Polish resistance accurate numbers on the Yugoslav forces are harder to find. I would also think that Soviet Partisan forces were significantly higher than Polish for their entire war.

And besides, your statement that Poland had the largest resistance force in Europe is wrong then as you have just changed your parameters of context.

Im just wondering if you are capable of a rationale discussion at all...

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"Watch that Fu*ker, he'll 'ave someones eye out!" King Harold at Hastings 1066.

Yup... and the Poles also helped round up the Jews too...

From the Polish Police, 4 Officers and 363 men were involved.

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it simple LIE !!!
nothing to add at all

some polish police were foced to stand outside the ghetto but no one enter it and no one wanted to help germans and Latvian Ss-man with killing jews
please stop writing those lies
You seem to forget the whole picture around that situation
This is discusion for another forum and believe me I know more about the Holocaust then any other member of this forum

You seem to think you know everything!

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"Watch that Fu*ker, he'll 'ave someones eye out!" King Harold at Hastings 1066.

I made some reaserches about polish role during WW2 and holocaust had an impact on my family

You probably know more then me about glorious Waffen SS unitsa and some battles they participated
I am not a fan of murderers
For me is just SICK !!!

The size and complexity of the AK and its ability to control units throughout Poland was on a scale rivaled only by Tito’s partisans in Yugoslavia. The organization of the Warsaw-based AK units was unmatched in any other German-occupied capital city. In fact, a top-secret SS unit was formed in order to study these movements in detail, and specialists from this unit were sent to observe the Warsaw Rising in 1944, apparently in conjunction with the Abwehr and the Warsaw Gestapo. The Polish Home Army was considered a revolutionary movement par excellence.