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Old June 27th, 2004, 02:50 PM
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Rite... organising myself properly! We now have a non-ww2 pics section so here is the Just WW2 pics section!!!

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This may be Korea but im guessing 'Bulge'!




Again may be Korea but its good...



This one IS ww2!!!



Hellcat pulls a wheelie...




And the record for most men on one Sherman goes to...
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Old June 27th, 2004, 02:54 PM
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"Look... A tiger!!!"




In the factory...





Sherman platoon moves out...
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Old June 27th, 2004, 03:10 PM
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Some JS-I and JS-II pics...



In Danzig...




In Berlin (?)...



JS-II on the move...
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Old June 27th, 2004, 03:15 PM
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NOw for some not so happy JS tanks...



Belorussia '44...




A destroyed JS-2. A hit caused an explosion of the magazine. Berlin. 1945.


REPORT ON THE RESULTS OF TESTING OF THE 100 MM AND THE 122 MM TANK GUNS AT THE KUBINKA PROVING GROUNDS

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September 12, 1944

To the chairman of the technical Council of the People's Commissariat for Armaments of the USSR, Comrade E.Satel.
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According to the results of the test shooting performed against the German Panther tanks at the Kubinka Proving Grounds of the GBTU the guns tested in order of decreasing effectiveness against the frontal armor of the Panther are as follows:

1. The D-25 122 mm tank gun manufactured at the factory #9. Its ballistic characteristics are identical to those of the following guns: the A-19 122 mm, the D-2 122 mm (factory #9) and the S-4 (Central Artillery Design Bureau), giving it a muzzle velocity of 780-790 m/s with a 25 kg projectile. This gun reliably penetrates the Panther's frontal armor at 2500 metres, and that is less than its maximum range.

2. The D-10 100 mm tank gun with ballistics identical to those of the BS-3 100 mm gun, its muzzle velocity being 890-900 m/s with a 15.6 kg projectile. This gun can penetrate the frontal armor of the Panther at up to 1500 metres, which is its maximum range.

3. The German 88 mm gun with muzzle velocity of 1000 m/s with a 10 kg projectile penetrates the Panther's frontal armor at distances of only up to 650 m.

The Panther's frontal armor is 85 mm thick and sloped at 35 degrees to the horizon. Therefore, when shooting at it from the above stated distances the angle of the projectile's trajectory at the point of impact is close to 0 degrees, and the difference between the axis of the projectile and the right angle to the armor's surface (angle of impact) is close to 55 degrees.

The above test results are preliminary, as the testing was done on guns with varying levels of deterioration: the 100 mm D-10 had fired 400 shots, and the 122 mm D-25 was new. However the difference in our test results is so great that it is unlikely that any necessary adjustments will be more than minor.

The method of evaluating armor penetration at angles of impact ranging from 0 to 30 degrees that is currently in use appears to be inefficient in evaluating the anti-tank guns.

Therefore it is our opinion that it is necessary to reconsider the subject of the most effective caliber of the anti-tank guns.

In regards to fighting the Panther tanks the tests at Kubinka clearly show that the 122 mm D-25 gun (V=780-790 m/s; g=25 kg) is superior to the 100 mm D-10 gun (V=890-900 m/s, g=15.6 kg). Also superior to the later are the 122 mm guns on wheeled carriage (the A-19 of the factory #9 and the S-4 of the TsAKB). The 100 mm BS-3 gun turns out to be less effective.

As you know, currently there are available two types of 122 mm field guns of a reduced weight but equal ballistic characteristics compared to the A-19 gun, i.e.:

1. The S-4 122 mm of the CADB, which is due to be delivered for field testing. The S-4 gun has a lot of parts common with the 100 mm BS-3 gun and its production could be begun using the facilities manufacturing the BS-3. Thus currently we are only waiting for the positive test results from the proving grounds and, probably, field tests of this gun.

2. The D-2 122 mm gun of the factory #9, which has successfully completed proving grounds tests on numerous occasions. A series of four D-2 guns is being readied for field testing. I believe that it is urgently needed to consider the task of manufacturing the D-2, in case S-4 does not pass its tests.

The second important problem that surfaced as a result of the tests at Kubinka is that of the high muzzle velocity, particularly the problem of the 85 mm guns with muzzle velocities of 1000-1100 m/s.

The tests have shown the projectile of the German 88 mm gun to have only limited effectiveness when used against the German Panther tank. It is also known that a similar 85 mm gun comes out to be roughly equal in its size and weight to a 100 mm gun with V=900 m/s. Currently 85 mm guns with muzzle velocities of 1000-1100 m/s are being developed by the CADB and factory #9, however their effectiveness against actual German tanks becomes doubtful, especially given the fact that such a gun would require tank turret dimensions no less than those used for the 100 mm D-10 or S-34 guns.

In this regard it appears that after the completion of the Kubinka tests, and if their final results confirm the current data, it would be beneficial to hold a special meeting to discuss further plans for the development of guns with high muzzle velocity.

The only point beyond doubt at this time is the need for increasing the muzzle velocities of the anti-aircraft guns, where it will result in drastic increase in range and reduction in projectile's time in travel to target.

Requesting you further instructions.

Deputy Chief of the Technical Department of the
Peoples Commissariat for Armaments:
Major-General of Engineering and Artillery
/TOLOCHKOV/

Chief of the Test Designs unit:
/VOLOSATOV/
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That Australian pilot gets around a bit eh RB?


Then again, he had a better chance than these poor folks:
[img] http://www.bygonepics.com/ww2/air/aw...0Of%20Flak.jpg [/img]



And a load of pics from the bulge:

This one is rather spooky:








Do you ever find yourself looking at these photographs and wondering what happened to specific people in them?
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Stefan,

Thats why I look at pics, I am always wondering what happened to the guys in them. The pic of the plane on fire is really something... And the one of the guys following the Sherman is very evocative of the Bulge. Good work Mein Fuhrer!

I wonder how many more planes that crazy Australian landed...?
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Typical, largest post I make in ages and its a double post.

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A classic Red Army photograph, would you believe that bloke was a Batallion commander?





Don't mess with Kai!


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Nice... FORWARD FOR MOTHER RUSSIA!!!
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NO! DON'T LISTEN TO HIM! STAY WHERE YOU ARE MOTHER RUSSIA!!!
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Stefan, All I know is that the four soldiers on and close to that tank during the battle of the Bulge are from the 82nd Airborne Div.

I got that pic from the IWM about 15 years back. A whole series with indeed some names as well...Will see if I can find those pics and post them here. They were all 82nd during the Bulge. Also two 82nd troopers bringing in an SS prisoner. Actually a rather well known pic which I have seen before on line)
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That would be great Stevin, they are excellent photographs, very defined. The shades and so on are remarkable.
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I would venture to say the tail gunner on the A-20 was cremated before the plane hit the ground.

Nice picture, I have not seen that one before. [img]graemlins/moh.gif[/img]
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I hope we can dig up some more 'unseen' pics!!!
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How is this for ya? A French WW1 tank, in German colours, with American troops, after WW2. Interesting photograph I think.
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Where is it???


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Red - Hate to disapoint you but this pic is Korea and is taken just after the landing at Inchon. It isn't even a Hellcat its a M26.

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always one clever clogs... [img]tongue.gif[/img]


What was that Stefan? you want an atomic bomb to drop on Britain in the campaign? No probs!!!


Only joking Lord Mahross, I wont bother with the captions in future! Thought it was Korea... though I said that!!!
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Hey you guys, could you do a part II and part III for these pictures. Some of us poor folks in the colonies are on the internet via phone lines and it takes awhile for the photos to open on this page. I have already read War and Peace twice waiting for the page to open.
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TA - LOL.
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Will do TA152...

Good idea!!!
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This ain't going to happen either…

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Does anyone know of a reasonable safe way to get pictures out of an album that were glued in? I found the 82nd Abn pics, but through time they have become stuck to the album. Tried to get them loose....almost tore the buggers...

Anyone has an idea?
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