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February 23rd, 2006, 01:47 PM
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Ominously, the Führerbunker (in Berlin) was the 13th such structure he had occupied.
From "In Hitler´s bunker" by Armin Lehmann
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February 23rd, 2006, 02:49 PM
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Originally posted by Kai-Petri:
Ominously, the Führerbunker (in Berlin) was the 13th such structure he had occupied.
From "In Hitler´s bunker" by Armin Lehmann
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And last, good read that book
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February 25th, 2006, 11:29 AM
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Emil "Bully" Lang
On October 21, 1943, he achieved 12 victories (Nos. 62-73) in one day; in December 1943 within three weeks 72 victories, reportedly 18 on one day! As commander of II./JG 26 he carried on his successes on the Invasion front, shooting down 25 Allied aircraft in a matter of weeks. On July 9, 1944, "Bully" shot down three Spitfires in five minutes; on August 15, two P-47s in one minute; on August 25, two P-38s in three minutes; and on August 26, finally three Spitfires, his victories Nos. 171-173.
"Bully" seemed almost invulnerable, until the undercarriage of his Fw 190 fell out during a dogfight with P-47s over Belgium on September 3, 1944, whereafter he was then shot down and killed.
http://www.jg54greenhearts.com/Lang.htm
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February 26th, 2006, 07:05 AM
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The Knight´s Cross:
http://www.feldgrau.com/rk.html
The first Gefreiter (Corporal) to be awarded the RK was Hubert Brinkforth, awarded the RK on March 7th, 1941 as a member of the 14.PzJg-Kompanie/Inf.Reg.25. The three youngest men to be awarded the RK were Gefreiter Christian Lohrey, awarded the RK on March 11th, 1945 as a Kompanie-Trupp-Melder in 3./Pz.Gr.Reg.41, Oberfähnrich/Leutnant Hans Bretz, awarded the RK on May 6th, 1945 as a Zugführer in PzVernichtungs-Brigade Oberschlesien, and Gefreiter Manfred Kuhnert, awarded the RK on January 22nd, 1944 as a Richtschütze in 14.PzJg-Kompanie/Gr.Reg.442.
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February 26th, 2006, 08:12 PM
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To finish an answer I started.
I was looking through my "Old Mans" squadron records and as I found no definate number but, I counted over 215 photographs of pilots for the 126 planes of the 354th fighter group.
Many got no kills at all.
Many were killed.
American philosophy was different when it came to flying.
You did not have to fly until you die, like the Germans (or any other besieged country).
You did not get labeled LMF.
Honey/vinegar, thing
If you became an "Ace" and above your options improved considerably.
25 then done for 17 pilots (except of course "Catch 22").
Options to teach others or go on war bond tours.
You almost always had the option to stay, but who in their right mind would?
Passing up a chance to go back to the land of cheap beer & expensive women?
Only to be shot at on a daily basis, and taunt the "Grim Reaper".
The world has enough Hero's, and enough souls who have either willingly, or unwillingly joined the ranks of the "Glorious Dead".
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February 26th, 2006, 11:50 PM
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There were bomber pilots who did many tours instead of going to training new pilots. In the Army Air Corp. you could be a fighter pilot if you did two tours as a bomber pilot. In the RAF, Guy Gibson did tours in Bomber Command and Coastal Command until he was killed. All military branches has "gun hole" types who fought until the end or the war or to their death. In Japan it was expected of you.
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February 27th, 2006, 09:03 AM
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Yes, skunk works, Ta,
I sort of thought so. The problem why I am asking this is that mostly it is mentioned that there could be no such German aces because there are not such high-scoring aces in the Allied troops. But like we can see from the numbers there were enough kills to make such high-scoring aces for the Allied as well. And that´s why I was asking where are they?
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February 27th, 2006, 11:37 AM
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I believe the U.S. government "pulled" Richard Bong out of active duty in the Pacific.
He still wanted to fly.
They were afraid he would run out of luck (as many good pilots did) and that would look bad for our best/highest scoring ace.
Because of the superior numbers, and superior quality of planes and pilots..towards the end in Europe, as in the Pacific, an enemy pilot need not show his bravery in any other way....than taking off!
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February 27th, 2006, 12:20 PM
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Gen. Kenney indeed sent Maj. Bong back to the states but not until he had racked up 40 kills, over 200 combat missions totaling over 500 combat hours. Seems that after a war bond tour and marriage back home, Bong went to work as a test pilot helping develop the P-80. Ironically, on Aug 6, 1945, the day the atomic bomb was dropped on Hiroshima, Richard Bong was killed during a P-80 test flight.
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March 8th, 2006, 02:00 PM
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opposin...ember_Campaign
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Poland
Starting in September 1936, France loaned Poland 2.6 billion francs over a 5-year period, which added 12% to the annual Polish military budget. The Polish defense budget for 1938–39 was 800 million złoty, of which:
Armored force—13.7 million
Artillery—16 million
Air Force—46.3 million
Navy—21.7 million
Cavalry—58 million
To raise funds for industrial development, Poland was selling much of the modern equipment it produced; for example, anti-tank guns were sold to Britain and planes were exported to Greece.
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Polish Army
Less than half of the Polish armed forces had been mobilized by 1st September, and only one-quarter (600,000) were fully equipped and in assigned positions when hostilities commenced. Thus many soldiers, mobilised after 1st September, failed to reach the designated staging areas and, together with normal civilians, sustained significant casualties when public transport (trains and roads filled with refugees) became targets of the German Air Force.
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March 21st, 2006, 01:41 PM
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Alex Büchner : the German defensive battles of the Russian front 1944
" Hitler placed no value in such positions in the rear areas and was often against them ( "They encourage the Generals to have an eye to the rear!" he once observed ). As a rule the available reserves were one division for each army, one battalion for each division and a company for each regiment- a laughable number."
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March 27th, 2006, 01:39 PM
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Thomas Cooper was badly wounded in fighting the Russians during February 1943. He was picked up by his men, and carried back to Schablinov. From there he was evacuated via Narva, Riga and Konigsberg all the way back to Bad Muskau, a small town located near Gorlitz. Due to his injuries, Thomas Cooper was awarded the Wound Badge in Silver, becoming the only Englishman to receive a German Combat decoration.
http://www.stephen-stratford.co.uk/thomas_cooper.htm
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March 28th, 2006, 10:44 AM
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THE LOST DIVISION
Around 19,000 American soldiers had deserted in France and in Germany at the end of 1945, many living on farms and working as labourers, as black market racketeers, or in safe hiding places in their new found girl friends houses. By 1948, about 9,000 had been found. In 1947, the British Government announced an offer of leniency for British deserters and 837 gave themselves up.
Lesser Known Facts of WW2
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March 28th, 2006, 10:53 AM
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Last Japanese Soldier to Surrender was in 1980!
The last Japanese soldier to surrender was Captain Fumio Nakahira who held out until April, 1980, before being discovered at Mt. Halcon on Mindoro Island in the Philippines. Before that, there was Onoda Hiroo, discovered in the jungle of Lubang Island on March 11, 1974, twenty-nine years after the war ended. He has since published a book 'No Surrender: My Thirty-Year War'. Nakamura Teruo was discovered on the island of Morotai on December 18, 1974, still believing the war was on. Sergeant Yoloi Shoichi survived in the jungles of Guam until found on January 24, 1972. He died in September, 1997 at the age of 82.
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April 21st, 2006, 04:02 PM
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Megargee, Geoffrey P. Inside Hitler's High Command. Lawrence, KS: University Press of Kansas, 2000.
Hitler's style of command, and especially the so-called Fuehrerprinzip, or leader principle, was beginning to have insidious effects on the command system. According to the Fuehrerprinzip, every commander held sole responsibility for decisions within his command, and he was also duty-bound to obey every order he received from his superior commander. The Fuehrer himself stood, of course, at the top of this hierarchy; his will was quite literally law. Every senior commander (and more junior commanders, too, as the war went on) knew that Hitler had the power to issue or change any order. More and more often they began to appeal to him directly , as Guderian did on December 20, and his personal style was such that he allowed such behavior, even though it clearly violated the chain of command.
For a time Hitler simultaneously held four levels of command: head of state, commander-in-chief of the armed forces, commander-in-chief of the Army, and commander of Army Group B, the latter at a distance of some 800 miles.
As Allied material superiority increasingly made itself felt, the lack of German resources caused greater and greater competition between OKH and OKW for their own purposes. Some of these disputes, despite their deadly seriousness, were laughable.
In late February, for instance, the commander in chief west, Rundstedt, complained to the OKW that the General Staff had ordered a division to move out for the east on April 3; he said that the unit was not yet ready for combat in Russia. The Armed Forces Command Staff then reminded the General Staff that, in accordance with the Fuehrer's policy, only the Command Staff could determine departure dates for units in the OKW theaters. Finally the problem went to Hitler, after which the OKW notified the General Staff that the division would be available on April 4-- one day later than the General Staff's original target date. Such were the quarrels that were taking up an increasing amount of the staffs' time.
Command arrangements grew ever more nightmarish. Eventually, an OKW-controlled army group, E, was part of the front line facing the Soviets, but the Armed Forces High Command obstinately refused to transfer control of the force to OKH. Tactical units on the ground, side by side at the theater boundary, had to appeal all the way up to the very top of the chain of command to coordinate with each other.
The next 1a was Lieutenant Colonel Ulrich de Maiziere, whose story sums up the status of the General Staff in the last weeks of the war. He was not quite thirty-three years old when he took up his post, and yet for the last two weeks of his tenure (April 10-24, 1945), he was the de facto chief of the Operations Branch. In an interview in 1996 he emphasized that he would not have been qualified for that post as it had existed earlier; he was not experienced enough to plan major operations. De Maiziere was extremely busy, but his role was almost clerical. The Operations Branch collated the situation reports and updated the maps as always. Hitler reviewed the reports in his briefings and made his decisions, which de Maiziere would record and issue as orders.De Maiziere went so far as to place a quote from a film in his office: "It is not my place to think about the senselessness of the tasks that are assigned to me."
In April 1945 Hitler finally rationalized his command apparatus by officially subordinating OKH to OKW. He was a day late and a dollar short. "When Hitler issued that last order regarding the command structure, Russian artillery shells were already bursting in the Chancellery courtyard above his head."
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April 21st, 2006, 04:49 PM
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Damn, I have to get this one!
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Last Japanese Soldier to Surrender was in 1980!
The last Japanese soldier to surrender was Captain Fumio Nakahira who held out until April, 1980, before being discovered at Mt. Halcon on Mindoro Island in the Philippines. Before that, there was Onoda Hiroo, discovered in the jungle of Lubang Island on March 11, 1974, twenty-nine years after the war ended. He has since published a book 'No Surrender: My Thirty-Year War'. Nakamura Teruo was discovered on the island of Morotai on December 18, 1974, still believing the war was on. Sergeant Yoloi Shoichi survived in the jungles of Guam until found on January 24, 1972. He died in September, 1997 at the age of 82.
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Now that's dedication. The History Channel ran a program on that a few years back on Onada Hiroo. I wasn't aware of Nakahira though.
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April 26th, 2006, 12:58 PM
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The Falco and Regia Aeronautica in the Battle of Britain.
(Found this a while back but still find it quite interesting and rather unkown...)
One of the least well documented episodes of the Battle of Britain concerns the activities of Corpo Aereo Italiano (CAI) when during the late stage of the battle the Regia Aeronautica was instructed to establish a force in Belgium to assist in operations against the British.Participation of the Regia Aeronautica at the end of the Battle of Britain was viewed as a political necessity - yet it was unwanted by the German High Command (!).
CAI came into being on 10 September 1940, under the aegis of 1a Squadra Aerea di Milano. Generale sa (Air Marshal) Rino Corso-Fougier was made Air Officer Commanding.
There where three Stormi (roughly a RAF Wing). Two of these were bombers and were the striking force, self-protection being provided by the fighter Stormo. With the transport element (twelve Caproni 133Ts, one Savoia-Marchetti S.75, with nine Ca164s for communications) a force of some two hundred aircraft.
On 22 October the CAI is finally complete in Belgium.Zone of operations allocated to the Italians was bounded by the parallels 53oN and 01oE. The worthwhile targets were along the coast between the Thames and Harwich including the estuaries of the Orwell and Stour. In fact there is a single unconfirmed report of only one inland attack and that on Canterbury.
Operations commenced on October 24 with a night bombing raid on Felixstowe and Harwich, twelve BR.20Ms of 13o Stormo and six from 43o Stormo taking part.
On 16 April 1941 20o Gruppo took off from their base to fly back to Italy and further on to Libya.
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Another operation that took place by late 1940 was the infamous Corpo Aereo Italiano (C.A.I.). The propaganda operation designed to have Italian aircraft operating against the RAF on the Channel was ill conceived and conducted and showed at full the defects and the approximation of the Regia Aeronautica. The FIAT CR. 42s operating with C.A.I. were fifty, belonging to 18° Gruppo. On 10/19/40 they transferred on to the Belgian airfield of Ursel. The first action took place on 10/29, when 39 CR.42s escorted the Br.20s over Ramsgate. On 11/11 the bombers were escorted over Harwich by 40 CR.42s but were intercepted by Spitfires and Hurricanes causing the loss of three CR.42s, while another nineteen were forced to crash-land in Belgium due to lack of fuel caused by the combat. The last action of November took place on the 29th between Margate and Folkstone with a combat against Spitfires that caused the loss of two more CR.42s (the British losses are still uncertain, if any). On 1/10/41 the CR.42s began to come back to Italy. Lack of heating equipment, open cockpits, primitive radio sets, in addition to an absolute lack of navigational capacities of the Italian pilots (a specific training was undertaken only after 1942) transformed this operation in a real nightmare for those involved!
http://www.dalnet.se/~surfcity/falco_bob.htm
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The famous ace Bob Stanford Tuck carried a Beretta pistol as his personal sidearm - it was taken from one of the Italian bombers shot down over East Anglia.
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