Could the germans pull off a raid like the assualt on oak ridge in the book 1945 or was ultra that deep in code breaknig?Could the japs raid the coast early in 1942?Not with the ballons more like a raid on the oil fac in LA.

Hmmm good question. The Germans attack the East Coast, while the japenese attack the west coast.

Interesting

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Facta non verba. "Deeds, not words"

Short answer: No! Think about this for just even a few seconds and it is just silly to suggest. First, what method is used? Aircraft cannot reach the US from Europe or Japan. If a ground raid is to be used how do the troops arrive? Submarine? If so, they are on foot ashore. In the ground case, how do they reach their target(s)? Oak Ridge Tennessee is hundreds of miles inland from the East Coast. At the time, travel by road there is limited (the norm would be air or rail). Shelling the coast is a dicy proposition. Most larger ports and cities have significant coastal artillery defenses at the time.
In one case where a Japanese submarine shelled California near the San Franscio bay area the local coastal defenses were alert and ready to reply but unfortunately their 1898 model 8" guns lacked the range to reply against the newer 5.5" the Japanese were using. Of course, the shelling did nothing really.
This whole idea would have proved nothing beyond annoying to the US and would have accomplished nothing. It might even have proved a propaganda coup for the US.
Aside from all that, the Germans were really very pathetic at the cloak and dagger game in general. Their one attempt to land agents in the US reads like a bad spy novel that ends quickly. In Britain every agent the Germans dropped was either captured and/or turned. Sabotage and SAS / OSS type operations were something the Germans just seem not to have had in their national character.

A coordiated "invasion" would be out of the question the logistics would be almost impossible even with Aluetions occupied the japs couln't sta supplied over that great of distance. Mabye if they discovered oil first.The germans had it worse.No real surface fleet to speak of for support they had to occupy Iceland then Greenland.I don't think they could mount somthing that big.Small raids on big targes only if ultra didn't play its part.

the germans thought they could take on so much at once...you have to start real small and never expand fast...my thought at least...

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well I know it wouldn't be possible to have a LARGE force attack North America. But if the germans could take iceland, and greenland they could use that as a base of operations. All thou, they probally couldn't keep supply lines open long enough to get the troops/vehicles there in big enough numbers. Anyway...just a thought

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They couldn't even manage a raid across the 21+ miles of the English Channel, let alone one across the Atlantic ocean

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if in doubt....Panic!!!!

No. Your wrong for sure I do believe. Hytler made the decisions. The majority of Germans may have wanted to attack as much as he did, but they dont make the decisions.

And even Hytler didnt attack that his downfall was decided. He merely underestimated Russia.

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Well redcoat you are right, one of the reasons that Operation Seelowe didn't commence was because Hitler "made the desicion" to attack Russia thus cutting his cutting lines to very acute strictness; it was also due to the BofB and the cost that the Luftwaffe paid to try to gain air control but were miraculously stopped by the RAF. [img]graemlins/panzer.gif[/img] As far as the possible attempt at Hitler and Hirohito simultaneously attacking the US, it is completely illogical. I think one main reason would be becuase anything the Japanese possible tried to send to Hitler anyway and any form we would have intercepted and quickly decrypted the message. Also due to the fact that even if Hitler did take Greenland and/or Iceland. He would'nt be able to maintain a decent if any supply route through the waters that Frederic John Walker hunted in. My little tid bit.

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Gentlemen! I have read in one book (but which one?) rhat the germans had constructed a plane that was able to fly to the US and back. In the book was written that that plane had done it once. I think that it sounds very strange.

Is there anyone else who have seen this information?

I find it very hard to beleive.

Best regards / Mats

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You are thinking about the Ju 390 V1. It existed along with a second prototype. While William Green in several books stated that it flew to a point 12 miles from the US coast it in fact never made such a flight.
You might try searching for other threads on this site for more info. I know it has been discussed here before.

Ju 390 flight

thanks TA for popping up that old thread, I really forgot where it had flown off to. Old rumors as the one mentioned will last a life time

still no word on the FAGr 5 history as my German freind fell off the planet.

incidently not all of FAGr 5 and the Ju's were absorbed by KG 200. In fact a small portion of about 3-6 pilots formed the basis of a very late war Ar 234 recee unit and flew about 12 missions before the wars end