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Re: Was the Wehrmacht overrated?
About Russia..
Germany lost because of the Winter (Almost every German in Russia died because of Starvation or froze to death). In Stalingrad how the heck can you still defend if you don't have food, you weren't prepared on the winter, -30°c even -40°c as temperatur.. How the heck can you defend against those who are prepared for the winter, know how cold it can be and it's weapons and armor are well updated to stand against those temperatur..
Germany didn't have anything while then, Russia did.
Second point is that the suplies of Germany didn't followed the troops.. Sometimes the Germans advanced 60KM into Russia. They were exhausted, had exhausted feet, no gasoline, no reserve troops, no food.. And then the Winter comes. Still Germany stood out long in Russia.
Third mistake of Hitler is that he used his railroads for Jews.. He didn't used the railroads for suplies, troops, transport the wounded or anything. He only used the railroads for Jews.
Hitler his mistake to invade Russia was that he invaded Russia before the Winter and didn't used his railroads for the right purpose and last but not least he was fighting a two front war.
Hitler made mistakes. If he really wanted to invade Russia he had to wait. Not fight a two front war and atleast have a good Suply-Line if you want to invade such a country.
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Did somebody mention 'General Winter'...
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About Russia..
Germany lost because of the Winter (Almost every German in Russia died because of Starvation or froze to death).
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I'd love to hear you back this statement up Sturmkreuz...
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Re: Did somebody mention 'General Winter'...
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I'd love to hear you back this statement up Sturmkreuz...
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What means back up ?
Anyway I replied on Ironcross..
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Re: Did somebody mention 'General Winter'...
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I'd love to hear you back this statement up Sturmkreuz...
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ditto!
but getting back on track here, I do believe the Germans at this time were a force to be reckoned with, but I also believe that the information that reached the average Allied soldier may have been somewhat skewed. Therefore giving him the impression that the Germans were stronger than they actually were! This was told to me by a WWII veteran that was truly afraid of what the Huns had in store for them, then with some of the atrocities the Germans committed against our soldiers that added to the mystery of these men. Maybe this is a long shot but I still think they were just men, super-warriors.....no. Over rated.....yes. IMHO!  |
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Re: Was the Wehrmacht overrated?
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Originally Posted by Sturmkreuz
About Russia..
Germany lost because of the Winter (Almost every German in Russia died because of Starvation or froze to death). In Stalingrad how the heck can you still defend if you don't have food, you weren't prepared on the winter, -30°c even -40°c as temperatur.. How the heck can you defend against those who are prepared for the winter, know how cold it can be and it's weapons and armor are well updated to stand against those temperatur..
Germany didn't have anything while then, Russia did.
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Following von Poop's prompt, and in order to commemorate my 4,000 post here:
Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha!
Tell us another joke! 
Are you really saying " Almost every German in Russia died because of Starvation or froze to death"?
I can't believe this! You are overlooking those that died by traffic accident, hear attacks, natural causes, or fright by finding the Bogeyman under their beds!
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Originally Posted by Sturmkreuz
Second point is that the suplies of Germany didn't followed the troops.. Sometimes the Germans advanced 60KM into Russia. They were exhausted, had exhausted feet, no gasoline, no reserve troops, no food.. And then the Winter comes. Still Germany stood out long in Russia.
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Oooooooh, I didn't know the Germans had advanced 60km into Russia and then got hit by Winter! You learn something new every day!
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Third mistake of Hitler is that he used his railroads for Jews.. He didn't used the railroads for suplies, troops, transport the wounded or anything. He only used the railroads for Jews.
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Exactly, that's how Adolf got his nomination for the Righteous Among the Nations, for according to his citation " Providing free transportation to all Jews in Europe back and forth, sabotaging the Nazi war effort at the same time, all at great personal risk".
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Hitler his mistake to invade Russia was that he invaded Russia before the Winter and didn't used his railroads for the right purpose and last but not least he was fighting a two front war.
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That's right too, he instead of invading before Winter he should have invading during winter, it's much more fun, they could have thrown snowballs to the Russians!
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Hitler made mistakes. If he really wanted to invade Russia he had to wait. Not fight a two front war and atleast have a good Suply-Line if you want to invade such a country.
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Yes, there are good supply lines, here's a list of them:
Shipping Companies
ALASKA TANKER CO.
AMERICAN PRESIDENT LINES (APL Limited)
ATLANTIC CONTAINER LINE
AURORA TANKERS
BARBER SHIP MANAGEMENT
CANADA STEAMSHIP LINES
CENTRAL GULF LINES
CHILEAN LINE (CCNI)
CHINA OCEAN SHIPPING CO. (COSCO)
CHINA SHIPPING CONTAINER LINES
CMA CGM
CP SHIPS
CROWLEY MARINE
CROWLEY LINER SERVICES
CSAV/COMPANIA SUD AMERICA de VAPORES
DIRECT CONTAINER LINE (DCL)
DOCKWISE (Heavy Lift Ships)
DOLE OCEAN LINER EXPRESS
EASTERN CAR LINER, LTD.
EMPRESA DE NAVEGACAO ALIANCA S.A.
EVERGREEN AMERICA CORPORATION
Follow the link for more!
Sturmkreuz, I do enjoy your posts, you are one of the best comedians we have aboard!
Now back into the nursery and come back when you can talk sense!
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Re: Was the Wehrmacht overrated?
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Originally Posted by Za Rodinu
Following von Poop's prompt, and in order to commemorate my 4,000 post here:
Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha!
Tell us another joke!
Are you really saying " Almost every German in Russia died because of Starvation or froze to death"?
I can't believe this! You are overlooking those that died by traffic accident, hear attacks, natural causes, or fright by finding the Bogeyman under their beds!
Oooooooh, I didn't know the Germans had advanced 60km into Russia and then got hit by Winter! You learn something new every day!
Exactly, that's how Adolf got his nomination for the Righteous Among the Nations, for according to his citation " Providing free transportation to all Jews in Europe back and forth, sabotaging the Nazi war effort at the same time, all at great personal risk".
That's right too, he instead of invading before Winter he should have invading during winter, it's much more fun, they could have thrown snowballs to the Russians!
Yes, there are good supply lines, here's a list of them:
Shipping Companies
ALASKA TANKER CO.
AMERICAN PRESIDENT LINES (APL Limited)
ATLANTIC CONTAINER LINE
AURORA TANKERS
BARBER SHIP MANAGEMENT
CANADA STEAMSHIP LINES
CENTRAL GULF LINES
CHILEAN LINE (CCNI)
CHINA OCEAN SHIPPING CO. (COSCO)
CHINA SHIPPING CONTAINER LINES
CMA CGM
CP SHIPS
CROWLEY MARINE
CROWLEY LINER SERVICES
CSAV/COMPANIA SUD AMERICA de VAPORES
DIRECT CONTAINER LINE (DCL)
DOCKWISE (Heavy Lift Ships)
DOLE OCEAN LINER EXPRESS
EASTERN CAR LINER, LTD.
EMPRESA DE NAVEGACAO ALIANCA S.A.
EVERGREEN AMERICA CORPORATION
Follow the link for more!
Sturmkreuz, I do enjoy your posts, you are one of the best comedians we have aboard!
Now back into the nursery and come back when you can talk sense! |
Guess who is the comedian now. You're the one which makes no sense now.
Guess you mean that all Germans died because of the Russians?
Germany was in its time well trained. Not any country had that well trained Soldiers.
Russia just had enough soldiers.. Train up and train off.. Train up and train off..
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Re: Was the Wehrmacht overrated?
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OUCH!!
come on guys, we can share here, but let's play nice. |
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Re: Was the Wehrmacht overrated?
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OUCH!!
come on guys, we can share here, but let's play nice.
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Yes, bigfun, anyway this is nothing personal, I like him.
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Me too!
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Za, i love this!!!!
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Yes, bigfun, anyway this is nothing personal, I like him.
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Sturm, you need your head examined.  Admitting in a public forum that you "like" an unemployed Portagee who talks to an imaginary bolshevik. Makes me wonder.....
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Re: Was the Wehrmacht overrated?
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Guess you mean that all Germans died because of the Russians?
Germany was in its time well trained. Not any country had that well trained Soldiers.
Russia just had enough soldiers.. Train up and train off.. Train up and train off..
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So according to you, just how many Germans died facing the Russians? Im also curious to find out as to where you came up with such an interesting hypothesis as I doubt schools in Belgium teach this.
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Re: Was the Wehrmacht overrated?
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Sturm, you need your head examined. Admitting in a public forum that you "like" an unemployed Portagee who talks to an imaginary bolshevik. Makes me wonder..... |
What is a "Portagee"  ?
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Slang for someone who is Portuguese.
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