yes, it is interesting finding investigating these things! the date is actually spelled out like this, ...11 October 1941...... my fahter is trying to contact his relatives in Holland to see if they have any insight. it's very strange thought isn't it!

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Fw. Ney shoots down 1 Hapden over Harlingen for his 5th victory
Leutnant Hahn shoots down an Oxford ? over Grantham.

now it appears some activity over Holland on the night of 12/13 October 1941 and also the following night with NJG 1 being involved with some 6 claims made but it maybe more.

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well i just looked up Harlingen, and it is approx. 54 miles west and just a little south of Tem Post, so i guess if he was heading to England, that vould be the one. don't they carry only like 4 bombs? that is about the number my dad thought they had dropped.

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It all depends on the size of the bomb. Fighters could carry 4 250lb bombs (I think), or 2 500lb bombs. A Light bomber like the Mossie could carry 4 500lb bombs. Does your Dad remember how big the explosions where?

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no he doesn't really, he just remembers that it was dark and cold, but how big could the bomb have been if it hit the barn and only blew up that section of wall? also, Stevin, any word on the bomb that hit the bridge and did not detonate?

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Scott

Well im startin to think it could have been Fighter, four 250lb Bombs? probably a Typhoon or Something.

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Ah, no, Bigfun. I think it will take a few days/weeks before they get back to me. I had to do this by snailmail....

I feel, if it was night, early morning, it was not a fighter, as I haven't read about single engined fighters doing night sorties of this kind (i.e ground support role...although the fact that I haven't read about it doesn't mean it didn't happen of course).....maybe a mossie. Certainly if this was in 1941 or 1942. In that case we can definitely rule out a fighter, I think...Just on account of them not being able to fly that far...

If it was in spring 1945....well, then it could have been.....Need some digging here.....First of all establish a date...

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ok, i will wait for your reply, meanwhile i am going to interview my Aunts and Uncles. thanks again for all your help!!

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Nulli Cedo = I'll give way to no one.

Scott

btw i should say thank you to all for the great input here! my Dad is very interested in hearing what we learn from this, and also it has gotten him to open up about more of the things he experienced during the war. So thank you very much to all of you, Fred, Erich, Stevin, Slon, Slip and Joe!

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Nulli Cedo = I'll give way to no one.

Scott

"preciate the accolade, bigfun, but I've been pretty much holding everyone else's hat. I wished I could have been of more assistance. It's been interesting to read, though.

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I'd like to add a finis to this story but cannot until as you stated : interview more relatives. 1942 ? 1945 ? or >>>>>>>>>>> ?

well, i almost got to speak to my Dad's older brother today but i could not meet him! also i emailed the site that Stevin gave me, and they responded very quickly I hope to hear more soon!

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that is great Big Fun! I wrote the Ten Post Historical Society but haven't heard back from them. I hope you get a quicker response! I look forward to what they say!

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I must say that this is one of the most interesting threads i've ever seen on this forum!

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it is interesting isn't it! thanks Joe!

this is like the mystery of the Ten Post bombing! i'll post here as soon as i get something!!!!

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Nulli Cedo = I'll give way to no one.

Scott

well i heard back from the Ten Post Historical Society, only they did not answer my question, they just gave me the link that Stevin posted! oh well i will try again!

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...this army made up of ex-resistence men and named by the Prince Himself, became known as the STOOTTROEPEN(Stormtroopers).
Nulli Cedo = I'll give way to no one.

Scott

Don't worry too much about the dates, it's problably a spelling mistake. Remember that pictures were not developped before months after they were taken and sometimes years when people kept the rolls hidden (in case of censured material by the Germans) . Besides pictures were rare and were a real luxury for civilians in a occupied country. So by the time they were developed the memory of the exact date could be vague. I'm actually surprised this picture was developped. Most pictures I have are from the 1944-1945 period because other simply were not taken because they were illegal and taking certain pictures meant arrest and more.

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wow, i didn't know that but it makes sense, they controlled everything else!
thanks Skipper!

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Nulli Cedo = I'll give way to no one.

Scott

Your father was lucky to take a picture of a barn which was not of strategic importance, because it was very dangerous to take pictures of crash sites, dead airmen, pows etc... some stil did, but risked thier lives. Besides film was rare and expensive and mostly reserved for occupation forces. some civilians had one or two rolls at home , but they were either pre-war, black market, or traded with Germans against food (the Germans lacked eggs and milk and often dwelled in the countryside trying to trade things for food).

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wow, that's another question i have to ask, where did the film come from!?

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...this army made up of ex-resistence men and named by the Prince Himself, became known as the STOOTTROEPEN(Stormtroopers).
Nulli Cedo = I'll give way to no one.

Scott

Quite some stories about people hiding their pics buried in the garden or stashed away in the attic for when the war was over. In the 80's researchers found the files of a The Hague (?) professional photographer who took pics of Germans and Dutch guys going off to the Ost. Published the best in a picture book. Very good pics they were but they were hidden away after the war for quite the opposite reasons.

You cab also see the clandestine aspect of filming by just looking at many of these home-movies; Of retreating Germans or Germans conducting a razzia, taken from behind the curtain, jerking left and right and dodging downwards when a German is looking in the filmer's direction....Gives you an acute sense of the fact they were doing something that could have them sent to jail for sure and quite possibly a concentration camp as well.....

BTW no word yet from Groningen here either...

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man i really need to get my aunts and uncles to talk more!

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Nulli Cedo = I'll give way to no one.

Scott