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Old November 16th, 2007, 09:19 AM
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Default The Other Bletchley Park

Hello,

My grandfather, Glyn Miller, was with the Royal Signals. He has now passed away but before he died he told me that a man got in touch with him with the intention to discuss some messages which Glyn had intercepted. Apparently the 'norm' for these intercepted messages was for them to be sent to Bletchley Park, however on a number of occassions Glyn was told to send them somewhere else. Now, the man who got in touch with him claimed that many other messages were also sent to this other station, where many people worked - doing the exact same job as in Bletchley Park. But the peculiar thing is that the M.O.D refuse to admit that another place even existed, let alone people there were working on decrypting messages.

I apologise for the vague nature of this message but all I have is a fuzzy memory of a wine fuelled conversation with my late grandfather.

I would love to hear from anybody who has any information on what this might be about as not only am I interested but I am also a film-maker and am looking at the possibility of making this into a project for the future so that the secret workers of the 'Other Bletchley Park' will get the recognition they deserve.

Many thanks for your time and I look forward to hearing any stories you may have, however irrelevant they may seem.

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Old November 16th, 2007, 09:29 AM
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Could well have been Hanslope Park, a few miles down the road, was an outstation at the time and now is the 21st century Bletchley, just outside Milton Keynes and Bletchley. Worked there myself on leaving forces for Foreign and Commonwealth office communications.
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Default Re: The Other Bletchley Park

Hanslope Park may have been the expansion initiated when the US aid (IBM machines) became available.

There was a decrypt station in India (moved to Africa in 1942) that was aimed at Japans radio signals. I also suspect, but have found no solid evidence of a third decrypt group aimed at Turkey, the USSR, Persia, Afganistan, ect... This later probablly concentrated on diplomatic messages and military messages from the uppermost HQ. Logically there may have been another group responsible for monitoring the diplomatic message traffic in North and South America.

Special Operations Executive, the British agency that organized the spy, sabatoge, and other agent activitys in Europe had its own small decryption section. It was discovered that most of the folks volunteering for special missions were not very good at encoding messages. They routinely made multiple errors garbling their messages beyond recognition. A few talented individuals were transfered from the Bletchly Park organization to SOE to unravel the botched encryption efforts. They also learned to decypher German originated messages. When the Germans broke into a spy or sabatoge group it was common to attempt to continue its message traffic in order to subverte other SOE actions and groups. The decoding clerks at SOE had to be trained to identify pecularities of a message composed by a German operator rather than their own agents.
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i seem to remember reading in "A Man Called Intrepid" the author talking about another Bletchley just up the road, I'll have to go look it up!
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Old January 29th, 2008, 09:56 AM
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Default Re: The Other Bletchley Park

Thanks for your help here, sorry I've not been back on of late... life seems to have gotten in the way.

Did you manage to have a look to see where the Author was talking about? Be much appreciated if you did.

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Benjamin, I have to apologize as well, I forgot too! Right now I'm not at home and wont' be for anouther week!! I made ayself a note to look it up when I get home and have access to the book!! I'll reply here as soon as I can find it!!

sorry again!!
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I too worked at Hanslope Park (TSD) from 1969 to 1995. That was my base, though I spent many of those years overseas at various embassies.

During the war this "Other Bletchley" was known as SCU3 (Special Communications Unit No 3). Alan Turing, the mathematical brain behind much of the code-cracking system, was based here for a number of years. Check the following two links.

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/alan-tu...nslope-big.jpg

Alan Turing Scrapbook - The Electronic War

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Hello Hasbaron, welcome on this fine forum.
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