another thread going down the long dark tubes.......how about getting back on topic guys, and Dresden deaths numbered about 50,000 plus, the bombings were in the course of more than one night, first hand accts in my little pale hands- the familie ya know, no matter lets keep this on the level gentlemen, atrocities however you want to term it were done up by both sides, regardless out and out torture of the civilian populace to retaliation

Oh, I gotchya. Yes I can certainly understand why the Soviets did what they did, and as bad as it was, it still wasnt nearly what the germans did to them.

On the subject of Hess, I think he was insane early on. Parachuting from a fighter plane into enemy territory without first consulting them is not the best way to conduct diplomacy. I have no doubt that he genuinely wanted peace with england as most the Nazi hierarchy did. Before his rise to power, Hitler was actually hoping to have an alliance with england.

How time flies by.. 1987... was there really any concrete proof that Hess was murdered?

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Very interesting original post, link worthy of a bookmark, even if the IHR is somewhat tainted by it's association with Mark Weber, David Irving, etc.

I suggest that no-one holds their breath waiting for the full "Hess papers" to be declassified. Really juicy files do tend to be opened only to be found to be lacking vital papers.

I personally believe that the whole Hess episode involves some incredibly well-respected British individuals from that time with a very strong hint of SOE, or similar, involvement. Which may mean we might never get the entire picture.

There's a pile of available info at the National Archive of the UK, part of which, unintentionally I believe, hints at this. I'd be interested to hear from anyone else who may have come to a similar conclusion, but rather irritatingly it's not something I'd go into detail about via a forum as I'd hate to see any further restriction placed on the paperwork surrounding these fascinating events.

There's an interesting chapter about Wolf Hess in Gerald Posner's book "Hitler's Children", it's also a cracking read aside from featuring Wolf. He's also an author who can accept a compliment although I've held back on trying to convince him of the wisdom of doing us all a favour and concentrating on all things WWII.

No offence but that's far too simplistic an opinion for most here to take seriously.

Things can become difficult when figures start to be swapped as if they were sports scores, especially given that we're talking about people and even more so when it involves possibly contentious events such as the bombing of Dresden. As an amateur historian I always tend to focus on what's recorded, leaving any judgement to either those involved or the good Lord himself.

I believe that Hess wasn't the only one in Nazi party who thought Germans and AngloSaxons were half brothers and shouldn't be fighting. He was out of touch with reality when he made the flight to say the least.

Interesting discussion about Rudolf Hess.

For more on him please see my website:

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One would have to ask why you would use a picture of a White Rose, a symbol of German resistance against hitler and the Nazis, on a site that is a hagiography dedicated to Speer & Hess...

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Is that really true? I had no idea, and yet something is coming back to me now of hearing about this somewhere.

Thanks for letting me know, I will change this on my weblog site - not because I want the site to be seen as 'Nazi' as such, but maybe the white rose is inappropriate after what you've said.

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