*stops laughing and clambers off the floor*

The 'Hitler Channel' is a farce, they cobble together odds and ends of footage whilst some non-entity rambles on about Hitlers sexual preferences/how awesome the SS were/how the allies managed to win the war despite the Nazis having such 'cool' uniforms.

Sensationalist twaddle for the most part with very little merit for the serious historian.

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And he is the top guy on the site which I posted.

As for the most confirmed kills... That title goes to Mihail Ilyich Surkov ( Red Army ) with over 700 hundred!!!

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I would not be surprised anyone could get more kills than Häyhä as his career was pretty short. But how come Surkov´s figures are so high within a year or so? Häyhä was the top scorer earlier. ANy details on Surkov´s action areas and how come the figures suddenly have got up? Just interested?!!

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Actually im really not sure. Im trying to investigate now.....

Last time I checked, Hayha, was at the top but I guess the site constantly gets updated?

I will see what I can find out.

Oh and Kai, can you elaborate on him using strictly Iron Sights??? Does this mean he never used a scope?

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The war against Russia will be such that it cannot be conducted in a knightly fashion. This struggle is one of ideologies and racial differences and will have to be conducted with unprecedented, unmerciful and unrelenting harshness. -Adolf Hitler

Yes, Häyhä only used open sights, never a scope.

He was not a beginner but an experienced hunter when the war started, so shooting things was not a new thing.

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In the "The American Soldier in WWII" by Chester G. Hearn, I read:

" A rifleman shot one who had been sniping into a perimeter. Standard operating procedure called for a body search to identify the enemy's unit. When going through a fallen enemy's shirt,the soldier's hand ran across a pair of breasts. There is no record of the number of women serving as Japanese snipers,but there was at least one on Guadacanal."

Has anyone else heard of this? I wonder ,if it is true,how the Japanese males would have thought of it? With Japanese society being so male dominated and orientated.

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For the first time I have seen "History" at close quarters,and I know that its actual process is very different from what is presented to Posterity. - WWI General Max Hoffman

Makes sense to me, the best snipers in a war are usually hunters ( at least that was the case for the Red Army ).

But not using a scope is still very imressive. To sacrifice a larger target in order not to reveal an extra inch or two.

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severl of the top German Heer snipers were also from the high mountain areas and accomplished hunters as well, look to see I believe the top 3 in the written histories are all in Gebirge units. I do estimate that really all the armed forces snipers credits may be fudged just a tad bit and possibly others with equivalent scores that werre never published into the top 10 of their countries

Agreed...

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The war against Russia will be such that it cannot be conducted in a knightly fashion. This struggle is one of ideologies and racial differences and will have to be conducted with unprecedented, unmerciful and unrelenting harshness. -Adolf Hitler

Sorry to harp back to the Konig /Thorwald debate but Erich is right it's complete rubbish , complete Soviet propaganda.

I have been to Stalingrad a few times now and met many Russian vets , every trip someone asks questions about this and the Russian vets laugh !!!!

As one of them who was an Infantry company commander who had snipers in his troop said how on earth through the mass of twisted metal / debris / smoke / explosions / gunfire etc etc in Stalingrad or any other Battle could a sniper know the name or identity of the man he had just shot. The kill counts were simply that , numbers stacking up , you didn't go over to get the other fellows pay book and details otherwise you'd end up dead yourself !!

By the way got to agree about the history channel some appalling historical disrepancies both in film and narrative some of these so called historina should be ashamed of them themselves,

Regards

Paul

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intresting never knew this is there documented evidence on female japenese snipers?

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I wonder if they perchance looked at the genitalia, it would be a better indicator of gender than would breasts. There are instances of men having breasts like females, and I don't mean those who are over weight.

Gynecomastia - Symptoms, Treatment and Prevention

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Personally I think most sniper tallies are over exaggerated in the extreme for propaganda.

How anyone can claim 700 'confirmed' kills is beyond me. Im sure they killed a fair few but I think the totals need a pinch of salt or three.

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Must say I these days at least partly agree still. However when I read the German sniper´s book ( sorry forgot the name by now but it is in the What did you read section ) some occasions where sniper could really make big kill numbers were shown on the Eastern front. The sniper went to the other side of "canyon" and own troops started driving the enemy to that direction with their attack. The sniper had a clear view and killed some 20-30 enemies in one hour....

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