Operation Bagration, carried out in summer of 1944 was one of the largest military operations aver attempted, and encircled and destroyed and entire German Army Group. It was easily Germany's largest defeat during the war and permanently crippled it from the resulting losses in men and vehicles. So the question is: How come it isn't remembered up there with D Day, El Alamein and Stalingrad?

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Good question and I will let other member's respond...I just have always had a question regarding the pronunciation. Is it baa-grayshun or bah-grahsheeown or something completely different?

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It is sometimes harder to fight my superiors than the French.
-Heinz Guderian

It was discussed a few months ago .


Operation Bagration

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For the first time I have seen "History" at close quarters,and I know that its actual process is very different from what is presented to Posterity. - WWI General Max Hoffman.

Yes as JCF correctly pointed out this has been discussed here.....

But to answer the question, I believe that this is only the case in the U.S. Unfortunately, Stalingrad is really the only battle on the Ost Front which is familiar to the U.S. public (for the most part). I know this because I live in the U.S. and went to school here.

Battles like Moscow, Leningrad, Kiev, Kharkov, Kursk, Smolensk, Sevastopol etc. are very rarely discussed or written about in school books, if ever. If they are mentioned, they usually get about a paragraph and very often winter is accredited with the main reason for the Russian success.


Prapoganda and patriotism are definate factors......

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The war against Russia will be such that it cannot be conducted in a knightly fashion. This struggle is one of ideologies and racial differences and will have to be conducted with unprecedented, unmerciful and unrelenting harshness. -Adolf Hitler

Im assuming that your talking about Army Group Center? as they were shattered by the Russian Winter offensive of 43-44 and the Summer offensive of 44. Prettymuch they were useless as an Army Group as a whole.

As to an answer to your question-I can't fathom why this is not mentioned in history books? The last school book for a history class I saw (about 8 years ago) had a total of six, that's SIX pages on WWII. Three of those six pages were only devoted to the Holocost.

When I was in Jr. High and Highschool, our books had at least full chapters on the subject of WWII-usually starting with the Japanese sneak attack on Pearl Harbor and ending with the A-bombs dropped on Japan.

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Lost are only those, who abandon themselves) Hans-Ulrich Rudel.

While not in mint condition, im not so sure it was useless. If im not mistaken, Army Group Centre was the strongest of the three German formations.

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The war against Russia will be such that it cannot be conducted in a knightly fashion. This struggle is one of ideologies and racial differences and will have to be conducted with unprecedented, unmerciful and unrelenting harshness. -Adolf Hitler

In absolute numbers of men, yes. It was deficient in armor to AG South.

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Best Regards,
JW

But even that was only the case after armor from AGC was ordered to reinforce AGS for a pending Soviet Offensive.

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The war against Russia will be such that it cannot be conducted in a knightly fashion. This struggle is one of ideologies and racial differences and will have to be conducted with unprecedented, unmerciful and unrelenting harshness. -Adolf Hitler

Won't argue that, just addressing manpower of AGC. I started looking for numbers and grew weary of it. Before I quit looking, I found over 700,000 for AGC and over 500,000 and 400,000 for AGS and AGN, but I forget exact numbers. Something like 2.5million men in the Red armies facing AGC.

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Best Regards,
JW

Give or take a hundred thousand depending on ones sources

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The war against Russia will be such that it cannot be conducted in a knightly fashion. This struggle is one of ideologies and racial differences and will have to be conducted with unprecedented, unmerciful and unrelenting harshness. -Adolf Hitler

Hi Slon, Jeff answered your question before I could ;-)) Thanks Jeff!

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Lost are only those, who abandon themselves) Hans-Ulrich Rudel.