I do agree with both of you and in no way challange what you say, but it is still annoying to only see movies, documentaries and films on the US.

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Well, over here HC shows more than about the US but then it's a different market. I've seen a series on Napoleon on Central Europe (Battle of Leipzig et al), Spanish Civil War, the July'44 plot, the Aral Sea dry out, and the US were scarcely mentioned

This of course made the HC shorcomings global instead of US-centric

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What I really hate is when they contiously go back and show the Normandy landings over and over again. I mean they very important in terms of the progress of the war, but why cant they show some lesser known battles of the war, ones no one knows. They did a poll a while a go on the top ten battles and then they were going to show them in documentries, and surprise surprise, it was the usual, D-day, Berlin, Kurst, Stalingrad. Cassino, BoB, Battle for france, and I dont remember the others but you get the point.

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They shall grow not old as we that are left grow old Age shall not weary them, nor the years condemn
At the going down of the sun and in the morning
We shall remember them. Lest We Forget

Preaching to the choir, Tomcat, preaching to the choir.

Not realy the web site but the documentaries are pretty informitive!

military channel: good documentary's about weapons :bad there top ten combat rifles are way off and i hate future weapons

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Nope, not anymore. Why? alot has to do with that they are trying to pass off "Revisionist History" for that of actual history. Revisionist History is that that is nothing more than someone trying to rewrite actual history.

For another, they have now flooded both stations with garbage-such as: the history of logging. Boy that sure makes the whistles blow the bells ring and the kazoos make noise-to see that kind of program.

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I always say the public watches what they deserve. This is why HC programmes are different according to the counties it is broadcasted. They have probably tired other subjects and found out that some are popular in one country and not in another.


Hey Za I will demand royalties for the Confucius quotes!
Confuscius says: if you drop my four flavored duck you will get a five flavored duck.

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This says it all LOL.
"The History of dung"??

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For the first time I have seen "History" at close quarters,and I know that its actual process is very different from what is presented to Posterity. - WWI General Max Hoffman.

Yes, that must be why Portuguese HC shows sow many features on Spanish history.

There's a scene like that in The Man Who Killed Liberty Valance when Jimmy Stewart pick ups the Duke's steak from the floor after being tripped by Lee Marvin

Phillistinism. Cow and horse manure has always been extremely important in European and Near East agriculture as a natural fertiliser. Fields were allowed to rest every 3-4 years, sometimes year on - year off, being employed a pasture precisely to have them increase the soil nitrogenated nutrients. All this to say that bullshit is serious (faecal) matter.

That is why HC and its several cousins take it so seriously to spread bullshit.

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I always say HC is entertaining. Other than that it's complete Bull. I remember seing on doc wich was well done about the death of Hitler. Other than that, Meh...

Confucius also said: For one to figure out if you're a man or a woman, place one hand between your legs. If you find two balls, you're a man. If you don't, then you're a woman. If however, by any chance, you find four balls, make no mistake. You're not Superman!



Cheers...

Take for example a statement from a newbie. That the RAF during the BoB was down to a "Handful" of fighters. When pointed out that that was inncorrect he then stated that "countless" "documentaries" he had watched had stated so. It is sad that most who watch THC and other stations don't realize that because a "documentary" says it is so do not make it accurate and true.

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For the first time I have seen "History" at close quarters,and I know that its actual process is very different from what is presented to Posterity. - WWI General Max Hoffman.

The first series to covered ULTRA was the BBC series The Secret War telling the story of the boffins from Radar to the Battle of the Beams and so on. ULTRA was covered in the episode Still secret which is one of my favorite episodes, sadly the BBC to date has not released this series on DVD but they did on video if you can track it down. Yes I did buy it when it first came out and still enjoy watching it.

I believe CH4 or CH5 did a series on ULTRA some seven years ago which bought us a more up to date account on what went on at Bletchley. I agree with Martin the World at War. is dated but is still a good series to watch.

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Regards, Richard

For the benefit of SMLE shooter, pulling this from For the motherland? Stalingrad. to avoid a thread hijack there.

Basically the problem with HC, MC, Discovery, etc. is that the main idea may actually be good, and at times they get some very interesting invited personalities, but the main problems are:

a) they have to compress whtever it is into a 45 min feature;
b) research is hurried, and due to several limitations they include the wrong footage (snow in Kursk )
c) the "talking heads" do provide hours long interviews, but they are edited so heavily that the snippets extracted come out of context and they make no sense at all.
d) those "10 best" features are simply the expression of the prejudices of the editor, they have to be taken with such a large boatload of salt to make the entire Dead Sea float.
e) they are addressed to a general audience, not specialised military historians (as we pretend to be in our dreams of greatness). That is: they level the show to the lowest common denominator.
f) sometimes the shows can be simple and adulterated bullsh!t, like the ones on those nazi bases in Antartica
g) those dramatisations are stomach churning! At times they're discussing whether a mouse hole is round or square, but they speak with such a deep, serious voice that it's totally ridiculous! And then there comes the P-47 footage when they're talking about Me109s

But do read the rest of the thread.

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I only watch it for the footage, not the historical accuracy and if I do hear something that dosn't sound right, It is straight to the books to find a reference.

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They shall grow not old as we that are left grow old Age shall not weary them, nor the years condemn
At the going down of the sun and in the morning
We shall remember them. Lest We Forget

We call the History Channel "Channel Nazi" in our house, as they seem to have a bit of a fixation with all things jackbooted.

I try to avoid it, and at the shows I go to which they attend I stop outside their tent and explain to my son why they're unreliable as loudly as is polite.

The final straw for me was when I complained about a mistake they made, and not only where they arrogant in response but they also accidently emailed me their internal email about it where their biggest concern was whinging about me daring to email them.

Lazy, inaccurate, arrogant arses... history is simply a marketing keyword to them.

Boo, hiss, etc,

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Exactly. It all comes down to profit. They are in the entertainment industry.

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For the first time I have seen "History" at close quarters,and I know that its actual process is very different from what is presented to Posterity. - WWI General Max Hoffman.