Nose art - Page 3

Za Rodinu · #51 (**permalink**) June 17th, 2008, 02:38 PM

Al Jolson as we all know was white. Take it easy, we know of discrimination etc, and that Blacks did not get the best treatment so to speak, but in this case to me it just looks like a face in a plane, nothing more.

bigfun · #52 (**permalink**) June 17th, 2008, 03:22 PM

Ok, back to nose art!!

Za Rodinu · #53 (**permalink**) June 17th, 2008, 04:07 PM

Some of it can be fake...

Slipdigit · #54 (**permalink**) June 17th, 2008, 04:38 PM

Yes, spook is and was a derogatory terms for blacks in the US. The face on the front of the plane doesn't look like a black person's to me, other than the color of the aircraft. I would tend to lean toward the role of the aircraft, a night fighter, as the origin of the name. Also, look at the eyes painted within the word spook itself, they look more like those of an owl, long associated with "spooky" (scary) folklore.

Don't "regret" your remark, as that implies bad intent on your part, which is not correct. We're all entitled to our opinions. Racist or not, it happened 60+ years ago and we cannot change history. Suppressing the historical reporting of an incident doesn't make it not happen.

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Originally Posted by amnp

I think this is a P-61 with art that shows how different times were. This seems racist to me and everyone I've shown it too, but if you interpret it differently please speak up. I guess you could loosely relate it to the planes night fighter role.

***EDIT***
Several hours after originally posting this I must say that I deeply regret using the term "racist" here. It's the wrong way for me to describe it.
I do believe it's derogatory, but I have no right to judge it as racist. My apologies. The explanation for why I beieve it's derogatory is 3 posts below this one.

Erich · #55 (**permalink**) June 17th, 2008, 08:12 PM

as a former member of the US night fighters assoc I can tell you that nothing in the world like was spoken even crossed their minds whether in the ETO or the PTO where these rather small NFS units were stationed. In fact I am a bit surprised that some of you guys have such a limited sense of persepctive with replies like you do...........

the NFS theme was night visits/missions so it was easy enough to depict anything in black dress code, women, mens characters, the moon, cat figurines - you get the picture easily enough, or like many crews of day time ops using their home town, song titles, etc............

Skipper · #56 (**permalink**) June 18th, 2008, 07:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Slipdigit

Yes, spook is and was a derogatory terms for blacks in the US. The face on the front of the plane doesn't look like a black person's to me, other than the color of the aircraft. I would tend to lean toward the role of the aircraft, a night fighter, as the origin of the name. Also, look at the eyes painted within the word spook itself, they look more like those of an owl, long associated with "spooky" (scary) folklore.

Don't "regret" your remark, as that implies bad intent on your part, which is not correct. We're all entitled to our opinions. Racist or not, it happened 60+ years ago and we cannot change history. Suppressing the historical reporting of an incident doesn't make it not happen.

I confirm: the ethymology "Spook" comes form the Dutch word "Spook" (same spelling !). It means a phantom. Therefore the world is probably related to darkness-night , rather than race.

Za Rodinu · #57 (**permalink**) July 29th, 2008, 10:50 PM

One of those ads we are saddled with was interesting after all

World War ll Airplane Nose Art Collection

Grounded · #58 (**permalink**) August 18th, 2008, 10:16 AM

A good site for nose art is B-24 Best Web >6800 PICs - ...Liberator Bombers from WWII

~~Mortman2004~~ · #59 (**permalink**) August 18th, 2008, 10:26 AM

thanx I make noseart for My planes in the pc game il-2 1946. always looking for new stuff

Erich · #60 (**permalink**) August 18th, 2008, 05:36 PM

excuse the ebay logo in the corner as I have not placed the original in my pic-files yet ..........Lt. William Kennedy of the little known 356th fg and the 359th f.s. his Mustangs prop-spinner is yellow along with the tail ~ rudder. top of nose is the famed red/blue diamonds as ID for the fighter group. His OC*E was quite a colorful A/C for a P-51.

Erich · #61 (**permalink**) August 18th, 2008, 09:25 PM

this is one of my fav's and coming from the 368th fg web-site the 3 squads really knew how to doll up their noses at the Luftwaffe .......many talented artists amongst the personell of this Jug group.

Za Rodinu · #62 (**permalink**) September 21st, 2008, 09:29 PM

I'm ressurrecting this thread, if I may, to state I'm going to start an art project involving Nose Art and general airplane decoration.

I'd appreciate very much if you could offer your assistance by recommending good quality sources (i.e., not crummy 200x300 pixel images from the Net

), including books (ah, yes, books!)

I'll provide more details later

bigfun · #63 (**permalink**) September 21st, 2008, 09:40 PM

Well done Za! I'm getting into aircraft quite a bit now, anyway, I love the nose art shots!

Richard · #64 (**permalink**) September 22nd, 2008, 08:36 PM

WWIIPin-UpGirls

Erich · #65 (**permalink**) September 22nd, 2008, 09:13 PM

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if you are that serious, send me a private or list your wishes here on this thread ....

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