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May 19th, 2008, 05:55 PM
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What Were The Allies More Afraid Of?
Communism? Or Capitalism?
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May 19th, 2008, 06:14 PM
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Re: What Were The Allies More Afraid Of?
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Communism? Or Capitalism?
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What do you mean? The Eastern or Western Allies? Afraid in what way?
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May 19th, 2008, 06:30 PM
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Re: What Were The Allies More Afraid Of?
Both.
Which political philosophy would warrant the most fear in the allies. In other words, whom would they dislike the least? (Of course, I'm saying this as Russia being communist, and isn't in the current frame of "Allies"
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May 19th, 2008, 07:09 PM
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Re: What Were The Allies More Afraid Of?
The Capitalist Allies (USA, UK, the whole Commonwealth, Brazil, Italy post 1943, the Free French, etc, etc.) didn't like Communism; the Communist Allies (USSR) didn't like Capitalism. So what conclusion do you reach?
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May 19th, 2008, 08:21 PM
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Re: What Were The Allies More Afraid Of?
None as extreme as Germany. But because they were more Capitalist than Communist; would that have granted them enough difference to dislike communism?
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May 19th, 2008, 08:23 PM
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Re: What Were The Allies More Afraid Of?
I am still in the dark over the intent of this thread Relics.
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May 19th, 2008, 08:27 PM
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Re: What Were The Allies More Afraid Of?
Look, your question does not make much sense at all. The Western and Eastern Allies (conventional names only, as Chiang Kai Shek's China was Eastern enough) belonged to different schools of thought, they were pushed into an alliance by the common interest that was defeating the Axis (Germany, Italy, Japan). Differences were swept under the carpet for the duration, that was all. Where do you want to reach at, exactly, so we can help you?
If you want to be further confounded:

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May 19th, 2008, 09:56 PM
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Re: What Were The Allies More Afraid Of?
I suppose the "allies" was too broad a term. And perhaps capitalism was too mellow.
I mean the question mainly for Canada, Britain and the US. And of which did they fear more - communism, or Fascism. They may have swiped their differences under the rug, but lingering feelings may still be there/
Which philosophical ideology did they dislike the most before the war?
Btw, it's an essay question, it's not of my doing, I swear! 
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May 19th, 2008, 10:47 PM
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Re: What Were The Allies More Afraid Of?
Communism and Facisim have a commonality in economic terms. Both are essentially totalitarian socialist economic systems where the state controls the economy. The difference between the two is their political outlook in terms of foreign relations and affairs.
Communism is internationalist in view. It wants to convert everyone else to a similar political system. Facisim is nationalist in view. It is xenophobic and internalized. If a facist state is expansionist, like Hitler's Nazi Germany, then it does so by conquest and elimination of the conquerored nation's social system and people where they cannot be accepted into the nationalist views of the conqueroring state.
It is this political difference that drove Hitler and Stalin apart rather than togeather. This is why in Italy facism and communism have had such an easy time interchanging in their government over the years. There really isn't that much difference between the two.
As far as WW II went facism was far more feared due to both Italy and Germany having very expansionist goals. When it was coupled with faniatical nationalism as it was in Germany it did, and should have, scared other nations into action.
Russian communism was more insidious. There was no overt attempt to just take nations. Instead, communism worked on spreading itself through internal revolution of other nations. Convert the locals and let them take over. In a pure communist system this would then result in a new and friendly state to other communist states.
Instead, what happened was the new states usually ended up more facist than communist and nationalism won over internationalism.
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May 19th, 2008, 11:39 PM
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Re: What Were The Allies More Afraid Of?
Thanks for the insight Gardner!
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May 20th, 2008, 11:55 AM
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Re: What Were The Allies More Afraid Of?
Not capitalism, Fascism. It's a different thing.
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May 26th, 2008, 04:53 AM
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Re: What Were The Allies More Afraid Of?
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Not capitalism, Fascism. It's a different thing.
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there has never been a real communist state in the marx definition. those were all socialist states, with various degrees of totalitarianism.
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