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I think so need to be changed in some way. Especially those who gravitate towards or adore the evil side. Or ignore the true reality of war and combat and its effects.
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What an amazing letter! It could not be put any plainer than the words in this letter.

What disheartens me more than those that romaticize wars are those that you hear say "If I hear one more vet give me the sob story about how they served in the war....blah, blah, blah..." The last time I heard someone say that - just a few days ago from my 21 year old step-daughter, nonetheless - I looked at her and said "It is because of that person that you are not eating sauerkraut for dinner every night answering the phone with "Heil Hitler" instead of Hello. If there any anyone that deserves your respect, it is a vet." Needless to say, she wasn't very happy with my displeasure.

I was reflecting on this exchange while watching a program about the U.S.S. Indianapolis - those guys floating in the oil-slicked water for 4 days being picked off one by one by the sharks...all after thier ship sank.....it makes me sick to see people not show respect for that.

About gamers....I am so addicted to the COD series myself, but the romance of the game has never thrown off my ideas of the reality of war. Probably the closest one can get is seeing the anguish-twisted face of a veteran sharing thier stories and emotions of thier experiences...and still this doesn't even get me nearly close to the real experience.

Great thread!!!

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Thanks for the response and comments Lisa.
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There is no romance in wars except occasionally for the rather disconnected general.

There isn't any at the front or anywhere else. Fixing a John Deere 344 10 K all-terrain forklift in 125 degree 80% humidity weather outdoors is no fun. Being covered in grease as part of this is even less fun.
Watching a 2nd Class PO's jaw drop as a Chief asks him for a 1" socket in this condition, priceless. (You'd have to have served in a Navy to understand that fully).
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"It is because of that person that you are not eating sauerkraut for dinner every night answering the phone with "Heil Hitler" instead of Hello. If there any anyone that deserves your respect, it is a vet."
Hey! I like Sauerkraut! My problem is that my religion has issues with the Eisbein
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Oh, don't get me wrong...I love sauerkraut! It will please you to know I don't make eisbein, however!!! I was raised on german food...but my husband is a millionth generation american polish, so I don't get to make german food too much and his kids certainly won't touch it....the most i can get him to eat is canned german potatoe salad (yeeechhhh!) To make matters worse, in February I really wanted Wienerschnitzel, kartoffelpuffer and sauerkraut...so I made it even though I know he hates it. later that night he came down with a horrible stomach flu and after bringing all that sauerkraut back up he won't even let me make it for myself becasue the smell makes him remember his horrible experience!
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There is no romance in wars except occasionally for the rather disconnected general.

There isn't any at the front or anywhere else. Fixing a John Deere 344 10 K all-terrain forklift in 125 degree 80% humidity weather outdoors is no fun. Being covered in grease as part of this is even less fun.
Watching a 2nd Class PO's jaw drop as a Chief asks him for a 1" socket in this condition, priceless. (You'd have to have served in a Navy to understand that fully).
I agree T.A. There is a large gap between the reality of War and the non reality that some here get thier views and opinions from.
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Oh man humping a 110 pound ruck. All your Ammo. grenades. Nvgs. rifle. K pot and body armour up the hills of the SHA EL KOT valley in stan in snow up to your waist at 14000' is a hoot i tell ya
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WW II vet recalls horrors of battle

By CHUCK CRUMBO - ccrumbo@thestate.com

A bullet hit the frozen ground in front of Mel Brandenburg’s foxhole, causing him to flinch. A second shot struck him in the upper left arm.
With the help of a buddy, Brandenburg used his belt to make a tourniquet. Then he walked toward the rear, looking for a medic.
“It was the worst walk of my life,” Brandenburg said Friday, his voice quivering with emotion. “I had to walk by my buddies who were dead in the field.”
Brandenburg, who was wounded in the Battle of the Bulge, talked about his experiences during the annual World War II memorial program at the Dorn VA Medical Center.
Friday’s event marked the 63rd anniversary of the day in 1945 when President Truman accepted Japan’s surrender, ending World War II. Germany had surrendered four months earlier.
The Battle of the Bulge was one of the bloodiest and largest battles between U.S. and German Forces in World War II.
When the three-week-long struggle in the bone-chilling and dark forests of the Ardennes ended in early January 1945, the Americans had suffered 81,000 casualties, including 19,000 killed. The German toll topped 100,000.
At battle’s end, Hitler’s army, which had made a last gasp offense to split the allied forces, had been destroyed.
Brandenburg’s recollections of the battles he fought with the 78th Infantry Division held the attention of most veterans in the audience.
When Brandenburg, of Batesburg-Leesville, joked about going on too long, audience members told him to “go on, go on.”
Recounting the horrors of the battle and what it was like to see his buddies die brought nods from many in the audience.
Although he was deployed in the South Pacific, Joe S. Derrick, of Batesburg-Leesville, said the battlefield experience was similar.
“Especially the part about everybody getting killed,” said Derrick, a former Army MP. “It was just a matter of survival.”
James Fowler, of Newberry, also identified with Brandenburg’s experiences.
“I remember a lot of the things he was talking about,” said Fowler, who was a member of the Army’s Quartermaster Corps. “I went to the same places in England, France and Belgium.”
The one thing all veterans from any war could identify with was the 86-year-old Brandenburg’s recollections of the impersonal randomness of death on the battlefield.
Returning to his story about seeking aid for his wounded arm, Brandenburg said he tried to climb aboard an ambulance for a ride to a field hospital.
But there was no room, so Brandenburg had to wait.
“Minutes later, the ambulance took a direct hit, and none of them survived,” Brandenburg said.
“Only God knows why I’m still here.”
The vets nodded.

The State | 08/16/2008 | WW II vet recalls horrors of battle
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These stories are the reality of war. Just a few of the things that are missing from the "historically" accurate and "Realistic" RPGs.
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A very apt statement.
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That Letter was very powerful, now myself obviously not knowing war try my best to understand it, but as Oscar had said it must be felt
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Or, at the other end: It's 2 in the morning. You are two hours into a four hour watch on the "big eyes" with your MIUW detachment. You have on a set of BDUs, long underwear, green weenie coveralls, a pullover sweater, a field jacket with liner, three pairs of socks, a watch cap (beanie), your helment, cotton gloves inside leather gloves, sound powered phones (they keep your ears from freezing completely) and you are about to freeze to death in the 40 degree temperature as a 50 knot wind blows over you.
About then the van asks for a visual on the sound powered phones on something bearing....LIKE I REALLY GIVE A FLYING #%^Q#%^. You reply you see nothing not bothering to try and look. Maybe the leftover MRE in your pants pocket will help.....
Up next, an hour later you are relieved early because the diesel generator is acting funny and spend the next six fixing the %!^Q#@&#&$***( POS because nobody else has half a %@^Y$&*$URJ brain to purge the fuel lines after running the Q#$!#^%^Y& diesel out of fuel!
That's what war and the military are really like.
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But wait!!! Where is the Glory and Honor and excitement?? lol
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WW II Pacific campaign filled with misery



By RON SIMON • News Journal • September 1, 2008

LUCAS -- In the summer of 1943, Lt. Bernard Kasten only saw the sun twice.
As Kasten, 90, a retired Sears and Roebuck store manager recalls, "It's 1,000 miles from Dutch Harbor to Attu. They are the most brutal miles in the Pacific Ocean. For 15 months, that is where we fought one of the toughest campaigns of World War II."
Kasten believes the long Aleutians Islands campaign has been mostly forgotten.
It began with the Japanese bombing Dutch Harbor's naval base. It included one battle on Attu Island and a huge surprise, when it was found the Japanese had evacuated Kiska Island.
The rest, Kasten said, was pure misery.
He said the only authentic book written on this campaign was "The Thousand Miles War" by Brian Garfield.
"In the context of the global war, it was a relatively small campaign. About 500,000 men took part through land, sea and air.
There were few American casualties at the battle on Attu Island but one of them, the death in action of 2nd Lt. "Shorty" Brewer, brought tears to Kasten's eyes.
Brewer was a good friend and Kasten believes he may have died himself, in Brewer's place, had his own infantry company been in reserve.
Otherwise, Kasten's memories of the Aleutian Islands are of fog, cold, damp, wind, and black muck a foot deep.
Kasten's unit landed on a forsaken island called Amchitka to establish an air base.
"My memory of the first 10 days on that island is mostly a blur," Kasten said. "The weather conditions were constantly bad."
Just getting a tent erected in the wind was hard, he said.
Wheeled vehicles sank in the black muck so everything had to be carried ashore and moved by hand.
But the men did eat well for those first 10 days. A supply ship was driven ashore by the wind.
Its cargo of food was quickly devoured before it could go bad, Kasten said. From that point, it was field rations all the way.
Water was nearly undrinkable despite being purified with chlorine.
"The G.I.s called it 50-50," Kasten said.
Establishing an air field was difficult and Japanese fighter and bomber planes made it even harder with their daily raids.
Kasten said morale got a boost when some American fighter planes managed to ambush the Japanese during one of those raids. Otherwise, he said, the Japanese often had the advantage.
The Japanese occupied two of the outermost islands, Attu and Kiska.
Kasten said there were few Japanese on Attu and most died in a final suicide charge.
He said the Americans hit Kiska hard, only to find there were no Japanese there.
That was the end of what turned out to be an 18-month campaign for Kasten's 7th Infantry Division.
He said his unit had been trained to fight in the deserts of North Africa. So the shift to the chill, windy Aleutian Islands was a shock.
A native of Grand Rapids, Mich., Kasten earned a degree in business administration and paid for his schooling by owning and operating the East Lansing Heating Co.
"We cleaned and repaired coal furnaces in homes," he said.
Sears and Roebuck officials liked Kasten's background and hired him as a trainee. His training was in Cleveland. That's where he met his wife, Mary June, at Euclid Beach Amusement Park.
He was drafted in early 1942. After basic training, he attended Officers Candidate School.
Not long after graduation, he and Mary June were married. There wasn't much time to celebrate. After training in California, Kasten's 7th Division was on its way to the Thousand Mile War.
When he got home from Alaska, Kasten was promoted twice and became a captain in the infantry.
He was assigned to Fort Benning, Ga., where he instructed trainees in the 82nd Airborne in infantry tactics. That's where he was when the war ended.
He said Sears kept his job open for him and he eventually became a store manager. His last store was at Great Northern Mall in North Olmsted. He retired in 1974.
Kasten and June spend summers on the shores of Charles Mill Lake and their winters in Florida.
He enjoys painting and gardening and she has a large doll collection. They are active in the United Methodist Church and he is a member of Disabled American Veterans.
"I'm still a Michigan boy at heart," Kasten said. "I still root for the Detroit Tigers and Lions and for Michigan State."
The couple had four boys and three of them, Bernard Jr., William Richard and James C. are physicians. The fourth son, Robert Mark, is a businessman in Cincinnati.
There are 14 grandchildren and 10 great-grandchildren to date. There are more doctors on the way," Kasten said.
Recalling his war in the Aleutians, Kasten believes the entire campaign was largely mismanaged and didn't provide much in the way of glory for those involved -- just misery.
"Frostbite was our biggest problem," he said.
"Attu was one of the biggest operations in the Pacific War and to this day you won't hear much about it," he said.

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Thanks . I hope that some of the younger crowd and others take the words here to heart.
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