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I have always liked the contrast of the old and new . The passing of one type of warfare to the more modern.

General George C. Marshall, Army Chief of Staff, as he disembarks from his aircraft at Esler Field in 1941. General's Ben Lear and Jacob Dever's are waiting on the Chief of Staff. Photo Credit: Rickey Robertson Collection

Red attack bombers zoom upward after bombing Mount Carmel and strafing it with machine-gun fire. Planes came over again and again to delay and confuse Blues in organizing newly won Positions. Trucks in clearing should have been put under trees immediately and were ruled out of action. With anti-aircraft protection planes might have been shotdown, too. Photo Credit: Dmitri Kessel/Ralph Morse/TIMEPIX
Mock orchard is painted on runways. Camouflage like this deceives camera at 15,000 ft., visual observation at 10,000 ft., below which anti-aircraft fire prohibits reconnaissance. Photo Credit: Dmitri Kessel/Ralph Morse/TIMEPIX
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THE BATTLE OF THE BAYOUS
THE LOUISIANA MANEUVERS
By Terry Isbell


It was May, 1940, and Natchitoches Parish was about to be invaded by 66,000
soldiers. These soldiers would battle rain, mud, mosquitoes and each other in
the largest war games ever attempted, the Louisiana Maneuvers



On September 01, 1939, the German Panzer divisions rolled over the Polish
Army and a new word entered our vocabulary -"blizkieg" - lighting war. The
ease with which the Nazi tanks crushed the elite Polish Calvary was a wake-up
call to America.
Eight months later, in May of 1940, 66,000 American troops would battle
rain, mud and mosquitos in Natchitoches and surrounding parishes, training for
the possibility of war.
This mobilization would be called the Louisiana Maneuvers and would be
larger than any "war games" ever previously attempted by the U.S. Army.
One week after the Polish invasion, President Roosevelt declared a
"limited state of emergency" and ordered the Army to modernize so it could
deal effectively with this new type of war.
The U.S. Army was in bad shape at the time. Neither it's structure or
armament had changed since the end of WWI. Soldiers were still armed with
bolt-action Springfield rifles and the Army had only a handful of light tanks,
none of them a match for the Nazi Panzers.
American officers were still being trained in trench warfare strategies
and the Army was badly under-manned. The only Division even close to full
strength was the Calvary, which like the Polish Army, still relied on horses.
On the eve of World War II, the U.S. Army was ranked 17th in the world,
just behind Rumania and just ahead of Argentina. One reporter said that
compared to the German Army, the U.S. Army was just "a bunch of nice boys
playing with BB guns".
The Army Chief of Staff, General George Marshall, quickly rose to the
challenge. He ordered the implementation of a new organizational structure,
adapted from the German Army, to efficiently use tanks and air power. General
Marshall also purchased a wide array of armored fighting vehicles, transports
and tanks, and new semi-automatic rifles for the soldiers.
He then decided that troops, and more importantly, their commanders,
needed to be trained in the new concepts of mechanized warfare. General
Marshall believed in the 4-H Club motto of "learn by doing" and begin planning
a series of training maneuvers, splitting his army into two opposing forces
and letting them attack and defend.
After smaller war games in different parts of the country proved that this
type of training was useful, a large scale maneuver involving half the
standing army was proposed.
Such an exercise had never been attempted and General Marshall had several
problems to contend with.
The first was equipment. While the Army had purchased new trucks and
tanks, most had yet to be delivered. General Marshall had to pressure the
factories to meet their delivery schedules.
Another, and more immediate concern, was the political pressure being
brought to bear from all over the country. Politicians correctly saw the
Maneuvers as a way to help their Depression ravaged economies.
Despite the pressure, Marshall knew exactly what he wanted - an
economically feasible, underpopulated site that could sustain the damage
the maneuvers would produce. Scouts were sent all over the country and after
sifting through their reports, Marshall I settled on the "Sabine River area".
Once the site was selected, events moved quickly. With the help of local
organizers, particularly Louisiana Adjutant General Raymond Fleming,
permission was obtained from 6,500 separate landowners. The landowners were
told it was their patriotic duty and within weeks of starting the process,
the Army had acquired the rights to use 3,400 square miles, excepting three
and a half square miles who's owners wouldn't agree and 10 square miles where
the owners couldn't be found.
The process of securing permission led to one of the "tallest of the tall
tales" associated with the Maneuvers. Supposedly, after a "backwoods woman"
refused to sign, a Lieutenant asked her "Didn't you know that Louisiana is
at war with Texas? Don't you want Louisiana to win?" She thought for a second
and said "of course I do! Give me that paper".
Still despite such demonstrated patriotism, when the national media
covered the start of the Maneuvers, it focused on the few signs that could be
seen saying "ARMY-STAYOUT".
To prepare for the Maneuvers, Army divisions were transported to bases
throughout the South and Southwest. As the ordered equipment became available,
troops were split into two groups, with one group massing itself along the
Texas side of the Sabine River and the other group "digging in" at positions
stretching south from Mansfield to Leesville. The largest concentrations of
these troops were in Natchitoches and Alexandria General Marshall set the
stage for the upcoming "hostilities" by supplying his commanders with the
following scenario:
"Blue (East) is a small nation with a common boundary at the Sabine
River with another small nation, Red (West). Blue has a small army, normally
scattered throughout the country. Red has an even smaller army. These troops,
however, are highly trained and are concentrated along the border."
"Boundary disputes, local border incidents and alien minorities have
resulted in increasing tension between the two nations. On April 20, the Red
government provocatively announced it would hold it's spring maneuvers just
west of the Sabine River."
The Blue government became alarmed, increased it's garrison at it's border
town of Alexandria and announced that it would move it's Army to the vicinity
of Alexandria for large scale maneuvers."
With the stage set, the air war started on the 6th of May and the ground
war on the 9th of May. The Red Army poured across the Sabine River at Burr
Ferry, Merryville, and Pendleton. To help with the attack, they constructed
a newfangled 367 foot long pontoon bridge at Toledo Ferry.
The northern forces of the Red Army advanced quickly towards their
objective, which was to capture the "capitol" of the Blue country, Alexandria.
It looked as if the Red Army would make a clean sweep, but they were stopped
cold at Natchitoches, where they ran into a large force of the Blue Army dug
in at the Normal School.
For the next few days of the Maneuver, there were attacks and
counterattacks throughout the area, with the end result that the Blue forces
successfully pushed the Reds back to the River.
For the local residents, it was great fun to watch the troops, and the
airplanes and tanks were a novelty. Many of the area schools let students out,
(and students in the other schools let themselves out) to watch the show.
Young people would lay on the banks of the Cane River and watch the formations
of fighter planes and bombers overhead.
At the end of each scheduled phase of the games, troops were allowed to
"stand down" and relax in the communities closest to their bivouac areas. For
the Red Army that meant either alcohol dry East Texas, with "hot dogs and ice
cream socials", or Leesville, Louisiana with it's wide open bars like the
Red Hound and the Silver Dollar.
Blue Army troops in the Natchitoches area were entertained with
community sponsored dances at the Natchitoches Country Club. These were lively
affairs with a lot of laughing and jitterbug music, but with enough slow music
to make romance possible. More than one Natchitoches Parish belle lost her
heart to a dashing soldier and the Maneuvers did result in a few marriages.
Not every resident of Natchitoches Parish appreciated the presence of the
soldiers as much as the Natchitoches belles did. Some saw it as more like an
occupation by an invading army. In Robeline, Don Stoker remembers soldiers
"borrowing" his fathers prize possession, a mechanical hay mower, and hooking
it to a jeep to clear a landing field for observation planes. They hit a
survey marker and cracked the casing, spilling all the oil and destroying
the mower. His father, Dewitt Stoker, put in a claim for the damage and a
"smart aleck' Army Captain came to discuss his claim. They argued over the
cost of the mower, and the Captain started to leave. He came back and told
Mr. Stoker that the whole parish was trying to steal from the Army, and that
Mr. Stoker "was a ragged, deadbeat farmer, just like the rest." Mr. Stoker, a
WWI veteran, hit the Captain so hard that his feet flew off the ground and
he was knocked cold.
Later that evening, the Natchitoches sheriff and an Army officer came out
and told Mr. Stoker he'd have to go to a hearing for breaking the Captain's
jaw. At the hearing, both the Captain's driver and his assistant testified
as to how the Captain provoked Mr. Stoker. He didn't go to jail and he was
compensated for his mower.
There were other incidents of soldiers turning out livestock to sleep in
dry barns, tearing down fences to get their convoys through, draining farmer's
wells dry, and burning all the wood farmers had cut and stacked for syrup
making. The armored vehicles destroyed a number of country road bridges that
were simply not built for that kind of weight and use. Overall, however, such
incidents were relatively few and Natchitoches and the surrounding area
enjoyed a much needed economic boom from the two million dollars spent on the
Maneuvers.
An event with the scale and impact of the Louisiana Maneuvers is bound to
produce some local legends and one of the most endearing and enduring legends
for Natchitoches Parish residents involves General George S. Patton. One
morning, troops under Patton were approaching Bermuda Bridge with orders to
secure it.
Patton was famous for "never losing a battle". This is true only if you
don't count the skirmish known locally as the "Battle of Bermuda Bridge". As
Patton's troop approached the bridge, the sound of light artillery rang out
from the woods. Troops scurried for cover and their commanders halted the
advance while they tried to figure out the location of the enemy.
Reconnaissance had shown no opposing forces in the area.
The column was halted for several hours while new air reconnaissance was
ordered and scouts were sent out. Imagine the look on George Patton's face
when scouts came back with three local boys (Prudhomme brothers) and their
brand new toy, a foot-long carbide cannon. Years later, radio commentator Paul
Harvey would hear the story of the "Battle of Bermuda Bridge" and use it in
his "Rest of the Story" radio broadcast.
The last phase of the Maneuvers began on May 2Oth. That night Leesville
High School graduated a class of 52 Seniors. It is one of the sad ironies of
the Maneuvers that the Class President, a young man proudly named John Paul
Jones, would become the first man from Leesville to die in World War II. In
recognition of this young man's sacrifice, a street in Leesville bears his
name.
This last phase was marked by heavy rains, which turned roads and fields
into mud. The rain changed the nature of the war games, and left the soldiers
in the field wet and miserable.
In a scene from the WWII movie "A Walk in the Sun", when soldiers are
asked to take a farm house held by the enemy, one soldier comments that as bad
as the fighting might get "It can't be worse than the Louisiana Maneuvers".
The conditions were so rigorous that one of the officers in charge,
Colonel Gruber, stated that "in addition to the enemy, there are two
redoubtable antagonist lurking to.... break up the best laid plans of a
commander - Old Man Fog and his twin brother, Bog".
Speaking of commanders, there were over 4,000 officers at the Louisiana
Maneuvers. The list of officerrs there reads like a who's who of WWII
commanders including: Dwight Eisenhower, "Vinegar Joe" Stillwell, George
Patton, Jonathan Wainwwright, Omar Bradley, and John Miliken. While a lot is
known about the commanders, the media of the time was also interested in the
common soldier.
National magazines and local newspapers all worked to find a "typical"
soldier. The composite solder was 20 years old and probably came from Texas
(12,000 of the 66,000). Their monthly pay was $21 for a buck privates:
$30 for privates first class: $42 for corporals: and $54 for sergeants. Most
had either attended or graduated high school.
The average soldier weighed 145 pounds, stood five feet, eight inches
tall, had blue eyes, brown hair and had at least 12 of his original teeth. We
assume that he was fairly good looking as "just plain facial ugliness" was a
reason for rejection of would-be Army recruits.
During the maneuvers, the soldiers had few comforts in the field. They
were given one mosquito bar to be shared between two soldiers. Sleeping bags
were not issued although they could buy one from the quartermaster for five
dollars.
While the Army used the Maneuvers to try out new mobile field kitchens,
a number of soldiers were denied access to hot foods so they could try out a
brand new invention, the C-ration. Each soldier was issued a 12 ounce can of
meat and beans, one of beef stew, one of meat and vegetable hash, and three
companion cans of crackers, sugar, and pulverized coffee. These rations would
be a source of soldier's jokes and complaints for generations to come.
The Maneuvers were designed to train commanders in coordinating
air/ground operations, deploying troops across open terrain (as opposed to
trench warfare) and effective deployment of mechanized forces. That they fell
somewhat short of success in these goals was illustrated by Major General
Herbert Brees' harsh comments during the debriefing of officers.
Brees, in no uncertain terms, told the officers that they had failed the
games in both performance and spirit. He cited the lack of artillery support,
pointed out that the attacks were so weak that they would have failed against
an actual defense, and that the commanders ignored air defense to the point
that if the air attacks had been real, there would have been "sure murder" of
"helpless infantry".
Brees squarely blamed the officers, saying that they had "failed to play
the game", and that their attitude had infected the troops in the field. His
criticisms were so harsh (and public) that the Army soon issued new
guidelines for softer, and private, debriefings.
Other officers shared Brees' views. Omar Bradley commented on "the
undistinguished and unimaginative leadership by the generals". It is worth
noting that a number of these senior commanders retired from the Army in the
year after the Maneuvers.
Bradley also referred to the close air support as "a joke...of 34 air
missions requested by the ground commanders, only two were carried out". In
addition, there was a very real human cost. At least 13 soldiers died during
the Maneuvers.
Despite the shortcomings, The Louisiana Maneuvers had two very important
results for the Army. First, the Maneuvers proved that such large scale
training exercises were both possible and desirable.
Over the next two years, corps vs. corps training exercises would take
place in New York State and again in Louisiana. The second result was to prove
that the Army was woefully short of men and materials. Bradley observed
that the Maneuvers showed the urgent need for "infantry divisions, more tank
and anti-tank units, armored vehicles, artillery and a dozen other major
items". As several powerful Senators, including Henry Cabot Lodge, Jr, had
observed the Maneuvers first hand, equipment funds were quickly forthcoming.
As a result of the 1940 Battle of the Bayous, the U.S. Army was in a much
better I position to respond nineteen months later to the "day that will live
in infamy forever". History would show that in those few short months, the
U.S. Army evolved from an army ranked just behind Rumania's, to an army which
could and did defeat the best trained and equipped soldiers the world had ever
seen. Years after the war, General George Marshall commented on the worth of
the Maneuvers with his statement that "the maneuvers were not only valuable,
they were invaluable. We never could have made our way m Europe without
these".
For Natchitoches Parish, the maneuvers produced a lasting memory of a time
when 66,000 soldiers "fought", loved, and in a few cases, died, on our soil.


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WET AND MISERABLE BUT STILL SMILING, DOUGHBOYS OF THE 37TH (OHIO) DIVISION SLOG UP TO THE FRONT THROUGH THE MUD OF A TROPICAL LOUISIANA RAINSTORM Photo Credit: Dmitri Kessel/Ralph Morse/TIMEPIX

Blue parachute troops, after dropping in a cotton field, commandeer Red command cars, fight toward pontoon bridge across Red River at Clarence. After capturing some men of Red Signal Corps and Engineers, they blew up a bridge at Vobreiaux. Photo Credit: Dmitri Kessel/Ralph Morse/TIMEPIX
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Just reading Prisoners of the Japanese by Gavan Daws. Pretty detailed book on Allied pow's of the Japanese. Good in that it includes Commonwealth, British and American prisoners as one whole storyline rather than individual nations prisoners.

Guys from Uss Houston amongst them and then I found The Jacksboro Boys...and a great pic of them...131st Field Atrillery, 2nd battalion, F battery, pic of them setting up camp at the Louisiana manouvres. Some of their personel stories included.

Brings it home closer when reading now.
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I wonder if this trooper was one that was actually in the river LOL? Look at how dark the uniform he wears is. And especially the garrison cap. Either that or from sweat considering the heat and humidity at the time.
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Guys from Uss Houston amongst them and then I found The Jacksboro Boys...and a great pic of them...131st Field Atrillery, 2nd battalion, F battery, pic of them setting up camp at the Louisiana manouvres. Some of their personel stories included.

Brings it home closer when reading now.
Heres an online exerpt from the book,

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1941 LOUISIANA MANEUVERS: THE BIG ONE


Troops are on the move in the field during the huge Louisiana
Maneuvers exercise in 1941. Maneuvers were held in Louisiana
in 1940, 1941, 1942, 1943, and 1944, but the 1941 maneuver
was the largest and was called, “The Big One.”
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By J.R. "Bill" Bailey

After Germany invaded Poland on September 1, 1939, the government leaders in America thought that the United States could become involved in a war. The military was expanding and needed a place to hold a large exercise. Louisiana seemed like a good place.

General Lesley McNair and Colonel Mark Clark, using a Louisiana road map, laid out the maneuver area. It involved 20,000,000 acres secured from 94,000 landowners and covered 3,400 square miles from the Sabine River, east to the Calcasieu River and north to the Red River. In Colonel Robert S. Allen’s book, Lucky Forward, he calls the area “a 40 by 90 mile sparsely settled, chigger and tick infested bayou and pitch pine section between the Sabine and Red Rivers.”

It would be the largest maneuver ever held at that time and would involve nearly half a million men and 19 divisions. Although the Army was starting to use tanks, some of the cavalry units were still using horses. Maneuvers were held in Louisiana in 1940, 1941, 1942, 1943, and 1944, but the 1941 maneuver was the largest and was called, “The Big One.”



Horse cavalry with a modern M3 light tank. This is probably
the last time that horses were used by the U.S. military.

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Headquarters for the maneuvers was the newly built Camp Polk (later Fort Polk). The camp was named for West Point-educated Rev. Leonidas K. Polk, the Episcopal bishop of Louisiana. At the start of the Civil War, Polk put aside his clergy duties and was commissioned into the Confederate Army. The “fighting bishop” was killed in a skirmish at Marietta, Georgia in June 1864.

During the latter part of July 1941, soldiers were arriving at nearby camps with as many as 300 to 400 Army vehicles passing through Alexandria each day. On July 30, 5,000 troops arrived, 10,000 more came on July 31, and 5,000 more on August 1.

The maneuvers were scheduled for August and September 1941, but a week before the start of the maneuvers a hurricane struck Louisiana. All of the rivers were swollen, causing trucks to become stuck in the mud. This was just the beginning of the hardships for the soldiers.



Lieutenant General Ben Lear (left) was in command of the
Second (Red) Army, while Lieutenant General Walter Krueger
(right) was in command of the Third (Blue) Army during the
1941 Louisiana Maneuvers.
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The Second (Red) Army, with 130,000 troops, was commanded by Lieutenant General Ben Lear and would be deployed in an “egg shaped” area in north-west Louisiana near Shreveport. It was comprised of the 1st and 2nd Armored Divisions with 600 tanks. To denote that they were the Red Army, the men wore a red armband and a “tin hat” (M17A1 helmet).

The Third (Blue) Army, was commanded by Lieutenant General Walter Krueger, who had come to the United States from Germany at age 8 and, after serving as an enlisted man in the U.S. Army, was commissioned a second lieutenant in 1901. The Third Army would be deployed near Lake Charles and Deridder in southwest Louisiana and was made up of 215,000 men with three anti-tank divisions — but fewer tanks during the first stage of the maneuvers. The men wore blue armbands and fatigue hats. The umpires wore white armbands and white bands around their campaign hats.

Some units did not even have weapons and used signs to indicate a weapon. James Bollich of Lafayette states in his book, Bataan Death March — A Soldier’s Story: “Instead of having actual machine guns, anti-aircraft guns, foxholes, etc., there were wooden signs all around to indicate these.” The Blue Army was to act as a foreign army that had invaded Louisiana from the coast. The maneuvers began in the early morning darkness of Monday September 15, 1941 with the Red Army making the first move. The advance guard of the 2nd Armored Division slipped across the Red River with the peep (later called the jeep), motorcycles and scout cars leading the way. They were followed by M-2 “Stuart” medium tanks, M-3 lighttanks, mobile infantry and artillery of Brigadier General George Patton’s 2nd Armored Division.

The Blue Army, using Colonel Dwight Eisenhower’s detailed plans, edged north toward the Red Army. As the two armies converged, the rain made the roads slippery and dangerous.

The Blue Army launched a powerful counteroffensive to the east, with infantry and cavalry moving toward Alexandria. The Blue Army captured Alexandria, but the Red Army tanks continued to attack in the west. The Blue Army stopped this attack by rushing in their anti-tank units. There was fighting around Peason Ridge, which was described as a stump-knobbed sector that had been part of the virgin pitch pine forests.

For several days, a battle was fought at Mt. Carmel, just to the south of Many, with the town changing hands several times along a 100 mile front. The Red Army tanks sprang a trap when they charged the Blue Army from camouflaged positions underneath the trees. U.S. Army Signal Corps trucks began blaring out the sounds of whining bullets, diving airplanes, booming artillery and tank sirens, adding realism to the battle. The Blue Army met them with 75mm cannon and 37mm anti-tank guns, putting four Red Army tanks out of commission. The Red Army was outnumbered and began a retreat covered by Red Army airplanes strafing and bombing the Blue Army. The umpires gave the battle to the Blue Army.

The Blue Army used Esler Field, near Camp Beauregard, and Lake Charles for their airplanes. At Esler Field they painted a mock orchard on the runways for camouflage, built false houses and dummy airplanes, and installed machine gun nests as protection against paratroopers.

The Blue Army positioned itself in front of the Red Army near Provencal, south of Natchitoches. On September 17, the Blue Army dropped 127 paratroopers behind the Red Army lines, where they fought toward a pontoon bridge across the Red River at Clarence, south of Campti. They captured truck drivers, rolled a smoke bomb into a Red Army command post and disrupted Red Army supply and communications. One paratrooper captured a Red Army headquarters where a general scolded the paratrooper for being foolish and ordered him to lay down his gun. The paratrooper refused and replied, “Nuts to you, General! This is war.”

Each army began the exercises with more than 400 airplanes. As the skies cleared, more surveillance airplanes were seen. The bombers found more targets and the fighter aircraft engaged in dogfights. The Blue Army had air supremacy by flying more missions and using more airplanes on each mission.

Red Army tanks were pinned down in swamps or destroyed by anti-tank guns. In 24 hours, General Patton’s 2nd Armored Division lost 20 percent of its tanks. The Red Army began to retreat in the Horse’s Head Maneuver Area near Natchitoches which led to the entire Red Army retreating along the one hundred mile front. The Blue Army aircraft began dropping propaganda leaflets on the retreating troops which stated, “Your commanders are withholding from you the terrible fact of your impending defeat...Your food stores have been captured. No one is going to bring up any of the steaks that the men of the 310 Army will have tonight. Rout, disaster, hunger, sleepless nights in the forest are ahead of you. Surrender while there is yet time.” General McNair monitored the reports and on Friday, Sept. 19, ordered a cease fire. This ended the first phase of the maneuvers after five days of “war.”

Although the Blue Army outperformed the Red Army in the first phase of the maneuvers, military authorities considered it a success. There were, however, 17 soldiers killed during the first week. Seven died in motor vehicle accidents, five were killed in airplane crashes, two drowned, two died from disease and one committed suicide. This was much lower than the 130 the army had predicted.
The second phase of the maneuvers began at noon on September 24, 1941 with General Krueger and the Blue Army making the first move.

The Blue Army held a large number of tanks in reserve near Lake Charles, including General Patton’s 2nd Armored Division, which had been moved from the Red Army to the Blue Army. The 1st Cavalry Division crossed the Sabine River into Texas and turned north while the Blue Army in Louisiana advanced along a front between the Sabine and Red Rivers.

Meanwhile, General Patton’s 2nd Armored Division crossed the Sabine River into Texas at Orange and on to Beaumont before turning north.

The Red Army stiffened its defenses in Louisiana with a battle erupting at Mansfield. The Blue Army’s 1st Cavalry crossed the Sabine River at Logansport, Louisiana and Carthage, Texas and attacked Shreveport from the south. Patton’s forces then crossed into Louisiana and attacked Shreveport from the north. The Red Army was caught in a vice and General McNair realized that the Red Army was surrounded. He called a halt to the second and final stage of the maneuvers on September 28, 1941, after only four days.

The 1941 Louisiana maneuvers, the largest ever held in the U.S. until that time, was considered a great success. All of the umpires agreed that the Louisiana weather was unpleasant with the American soldiers struggling through rain, mud, dust and heat.

General George Marshall stated before the end of the maneuvers, “I want the mistakes made in Louisiana, not made in Europe. If it doesn’t work, find out what we need to do to make it work.”
Some of the officers that were involved in the maneuvers went on to fame during World War II. General George C. Marshall served as Chief of Staff of the Army; Dwight D. Eisenhower became Supreme Allied Commander in Europe and Mark Clark commanded the 5th U.S. Army in Italy. J. Lawton “Lightning Joe” Collins, who was from New Orleans, commanded the 25th Infantry Division on Guadalcanal before going to England to command VIII Corps.

General Omar Bradley, known as the “Soldier’s General,” served as an observer during the maneuvers. He relieved General Patton as commander of the II Corps in North Africa, commanded the 1st Army during the D-day landings and then became commander of the 12th Army Group.

The flamboyant George Patton, known by his men as “Blood and Guts,” developed armored tactics during the Louisiana maneuvers and proclaimed at that time, “If you could take these tanks through Louisiana, you could take them through Hell.” He then commanded II Corps in North Africa and the 7th Army in Sicily. After the D-day invasion, he commanded the 3rd Army, which fought across Europe. He was injured in car wreck near Mannheim, Germany on December 9, 1945 and died on December 12.

Lieutenant General Lesley J. McNair was killed on July 25, 1944 during Operation Cobra, the U.S. Army breakout from Normandy toward St. Lo, France, when bombs fell short of their targets and onto U.S. positions. Lieutenant General Walter Krueger went on to command the 6th Army in the Pacific, serving under General Douglas MacArthur. Lieutenant General Ben Lear became commander of European Ground Forces in 1944 after General McNair was killed. In the closing phases of World War II he became Deputy Commander of the European Theater of Operations.

In December 1944, Generals Marshall and Eisenhower were promoted to 5 star generals (General of the Army) to make them equal to the British rank of Field Marshal. General Bradley was promoted to 5 star general in September 1950.

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I Thought this was an interesting statement.

"There were, however, 17 soldiers killed during the first week. Seven died in motor vehicle accidents, five were killed in airplane crashes, two drowned, two died from disease and one committed suicide. This was much lower than the 130 the army had predicted."
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Would you have a source? The statement is about the 1941 Maneuvers. Could you be thinking of one of the other ones?
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"Curtis took part in the Louisiana maneuvers of 1941. During the maneuvers, the medical detachment job was to treat battalion members who were injured or had been bitten by snakes. After the maneuvers, he learned that he was being sent overseas with the 192nd."

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"Realisitic military training can lead to injuries and death due to safety risks incurred through various factors including lack of sleep, enervated, the presence of heavy equipment, traffic accidents, and the presence of firearms. During the Louisiana Maneuvers, 26 men died. Most men lost their lives from drowning in the Sabine River and vehicle accidents. One died from getting struck by lightning, and one had a heart attack at age 24. [3]"

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Staff Sergeant Louie Alexander And General George S. Patton Heroes Amoung Us


Early in the morning of Tuesday, May 15, 1940, residents of central La. were awakened by the roar of military tanks speeding down their quiet country roads toward Leesville. For almost a week, the region had swarmed with soldiers. All of central Louisiana seemed to be engulfed in war, caught up in the largest military maneuvers ever held in the United States. After years of public apathy, the nation's military had been seriously neglected. The poorly equipped United States Army had few armored vehicles, so the sight of fifty-four tanks rolling through the countryside caught everyone's attention. Few had ever seen a single tank before, much less the thundering fleet advancing on Leesville.
Tanks had been used in World War I, but since then the technology had been largely abandoned. Military leaders still favored the cavalry. In 1940, on the eve of World War II, some still argued that the large-scale use of tanks was an ineffective strategy. Events that unfolded during the Louisiana Maneuvers soundly refuted this view. Firing blank shells, the tank forces easily overpowered the opposition, who only managed to fire one machine gun and one antitank weapon.
Before the United States entered into World War II, three major maneuvers had been conducted in Louisiana. These exercises helped recast the entire U.S. Army‹its strategies, equipment, and leadership. Many of our nation's most recognizable and decorated military leaders developed their strategic theories at these maneuvers. General Courtney Hodges, General Robert Hasbrouck, Brigadier General William Hoge and Major General John Devine would go on to long distinguished careers forged in battle using skills developed in Louisiana.
A new generation of officers moved to the forefront, including Generals George S. Patton and Dwight D. Eisenhower and Brigadier Generals Adna P. Chaffee and Jonathan Wainwright. Within weeks of the conclusion of the maneuvers, Chaffee received a promotion and orders to form the nation's first armored divisions replete with tanks and geared for rapid movement. He authorized the acquisition of land near Leesville for the 3rd Armored Division, which later was to distinguish itself in the battle to retake
Normandy and in other crucial European engagements. The new post that Chaffee helped establish ultimately became Fort Polk.
To the casual observer of the Louisiana Maneuvers, the street fighting was an exciting diversion. The long-term implications, however, were deadly serious. Within a year and a half of the first maneuvers, the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor, thrusting the nation into a global conflict that ultimately killed sixty million people. The training provided during the Louisiana Maneuvers and later at Fort Polk, as stated by many of the leaders of the armed forces, proved pivotal information in turning the tide toward victory.
At this dangerous juncture in history, the United States' military was ranked seventeenth in the world, behind even the tiny country of Romania. The May 1940 Louisiana Maneuvers created a unique opportunity for the U.S. military to witness first hand the strengths and limitations of both air power and armored warfare. While participating in the war games, military leaders experimented with the question of how an armored unit would perform when combined with an infantry under a single command. After fewer than forty-eight hours of formation, the new unit had advanced some seventy-five
miles in one day. During this advance, the improvised force won various simulated battles, including the May 15 surprise dawn attack on Leesville. Combining tanks and motorized infantry under one command proved to be a strategic breakthrough.
During the maneuvers, another notable figure stepped onto the Louisiana stage. A colonel at the time, George S. Patton was destined to have a significant impact on Louisiana, on the military, and on training methods at Fort Polk. Patton was invited to an historic meeting regarding armored warfare on the final day of the maneuvers. The gathering, held in the basement of an Alexandria high school, was kept secret from of the army's most powerful officers. The topic of tanks was so highly charged that attendees could have possibly risked their career advancements by participating. Nonetheless, these men had just witnessed how effective tanks could be. The experience convinced them that the army had to change quickly if it was to be effective against potential enemies. At the meeting, the group, later called the Basement Conspirators' decided the Army should immediately create an independent agency to strengthen armored forces. One of the Basement Conspirators', General Frank Andrews, Assistant Chief of Staff, relayed the participants' recommendations to the Pentagon and his boss, General George C. Marshal. Within two weeks Marshal took action. On July 10, 1940, Chaffee assumed command of a new corps, consisting of two armored divisions and a reserve tank battalion. Within a year, a third armored division was added and was soon moving to the new headquarters at Camp Polk.
The Louisiana exercises served as a vast laboratory for testing strategies and innovations. For the first time, C-rations were consumed by large numbers of troops. Army Chief of Staff Marshall declared central Louisiana the "finest training area" he had ever seen. Dwight D. Eisenhower was another U. S. Military figure whose career took a dramatic turn upward directly related to his participation and performance in the Louisiana Maneuvers. There was also General Lesley McNair who oversaw the entire 1941 Armored Maneuvers. Besides supervising these maneuvers, McNair was responsible for training the Army and National Guard troops. More than anyone else, he was ultimately credited with preparing millions of young soldiers to fight in World War II. He would also become the highest-ranking officer to be killed in action.
A significant development during the September 1941 Louisiana Maneuvers was the success of the four-wheel drive vehicles. The next year, the Ford Motor Company and Willys-Overland both mass-produced vehicles similar to these that came to be called jeeps. The jeep vehicles could travel almost anywhere and they quickly became the Army's workhorses
The exercises in Louisiana provided thousands of men with their first experience of armed conflict and ultimately helped many of them survive overseas. One such member of the armed forces to benefit from this kind of training was Staff Sargeant Louie Alexander, father of Dutchtown High School Principal David Alexander.
Drafted in 1942 at the age of twenty-two, Louie Alexander, a resident of Ruston, moved through Fort Polk and Camp Beauregard in central Louisiana. He continued his training at Fort Youstas in Virginia. After six more weeks of physical and obstacle course training he was sent to Camp Edwards in Cape Cod, MA where he underwent rigorous artillery training. Mr. Alexander said, I trained on the 90 mm anti-tank gun and the 90mm anti-aircraft gun, which could shoot 30,000 feet in the air.
Soon afterward, the Japanese Army captured Kiska Island off the west coast of the United States. Louie was deployed to the coast of Canada in response to this occupation. He stayed there for six months until the Japanese were driven off the island. At that same time, Hitler had pushed the German Army forward toward what would become the Battle of the Bulge. Sargeant Alexander soon learned he was headed to Belgium. He was sent directly to Southampton as his point of crossing the English Channel. The channel was mined, he said. Some of our equipment had been delayed coming from America, so we were delayed on our crossing. I was with the 76th Infantry and we had to trade times with the 86th. On their third day, two ships were blown apart by mines and every man on those two ships was lost. We felt very lucky but it was with great sadness that we understood how close we had come to death and we had not even entered into the fighting yet.
The mines were cleared, and the 76th had its turn to cross the English Channel into France. They joined two divisions of General Patton’s army which had marched up northward to Europe from Italy. Earlier they had fought and won in Northern Africa in some of the war’s fiercest battles against the “Desert Fox”, German Field Marshal Erwin Rommel. Mr. Alexander and his fellow soldiers experienced two months of fighting Germans to clear them from France near the English Channel. They then turned their attention inland to France which had been captured by Hitler. They engaged the Axis power in the Roi Valley. Hitler underestimated their forces in large part because of the new battle philosophies developed by the brave men in their Louisiana Maneuvers. Mr. Alexander told us, "The English were very instrumental in leading our forces with advanced artillery," another tactic studied and revamped after Louisiana. "We were a young group, many just out of high school, but we ripened fast. We had to, but it was tough. We were fighting in the thick forests of Belgium and Germany at one point. The temperature was minus twenty-seven and we had not yet been issued overcoats." They experienced heavy fighting in the bitter cold, and their heroic efforts proved worthwhile when they later liberated Bukenvald Concentration Camp.
The Army's 711th Railway Operating Battalion arrived in Louisiana in August of 1941 to begin laying tracks connecting Camp Polk to Camp Claiborne near Alexandria, some fifty miles away. They trudged through miles of fetid swamps to raise twenty-five ridges, aided by a clanging steam powered pile driver. The workers designed and built the bridges with little experience, but after finishing the rail line the 711th traveled to Iran where their Louisiana experience helped them maintain the Trans-Iranian Railroad, which carried vital military materials to Russia throughout World War II.
In December 1944, with blistering efficiency, Germany attacked along a seventy-five mile front along their border with Belgium and Luxembourg. This late in the war American strategists assumed that if Germany somehow managed to mount an offensive, it would not be there. The region was sparsely populated with the dense Ardennes Forest. Undulating terrain with few good roads, covered with a thick blanket of ice and snow made the area seem untenable for German-style tank warfare. The Allies had siphoned away forces from the area so they were ill equipped to handle the onslaught of nearly a half million troops and tanks. The Germans created a breach in the Allied lines and their objective to battle through to Brussels and Antwerp seemed within reach. Time was of the essence for the Germans. At the site of a small village named St. Vith in Belgium, the American troops in the area were the 9th Armored Division. Trained during the Louisiana Maneuvers, the 9th were outnumbered by more than six to one. Despite these overwhelming odds they used their intensive training and strategic expertise to delay the German assault for over forty-eight hours. Allied forces were able to scramble and gathered personnel to send to the region where soon one of the most famous and deciding confrontations of the war would take place, The Battle of the Bulge. The soldiers' skill, courage, and sacrifice provided Eisenhower time to move more fresh troops into the Bulge, a tactic that would eventually stem the German tide. The American units trained at Fort Polk accomplished one of the most spectacular defensive stands in United States military history. Staff Sargeant Louie Alexander, during his time of great bravery and service, was paid fifty-four dollars a month. He was almost as far across the spectrum of military hierarchy as he could possibly be from the decorated General Patton. Yet these two heroes have an overriding common experience that makes them more alike than different. These two soldiers and hundreds of thousands of others can point to the lessons they learned from their time spent in Louisiana as the single most important reason for victory. It is without question that Louisiana and its people truly helped save the world.
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Early in the morning of Tuesday, May 15, 1940, residents of central La. were awakened by the roar of military tanks speeding down their quiet country roads toward Leesville. For almost a week, the region had swarmed with soldiers. All of central Louisiana seemed to be engulfed in war, caught up in the largest military maneuvers ever held in the United States. After years of public apathy, the nation's military had been seriously neglected. The poorly equipped United States Army had few armored vehicles, so the sight of fifty-four tanks rolling through the countryside caught everyone's attention. Few had ever seen a single tank before, much less the thundering fleet advancing on Leesville.
Tanks had been used in World War I, but since then the technology had been largely abandoned. Military leaders still favored the cavalry. In 1940, on the eve of World War II, some still argued that the large-scale use of tanks was an ineffective strategy. Events that unfolded during the Louisiana Maneuvers soundly refuted this view. Firing blank shells, the tank forces easily overpowered the opposition, who only managed to fire one machine gun and one antitank weapon.
Before the United States entered into World War II, three major maneuvers had been conducted in Louisiana. These exercises helped recast the entire U.S. Army‹its strategies, equipment, and leadership. Many of our nation's most recognizable and decorated military leaders developed their strategic theories at these maneuvers. General Courtney Hodges, General Robert Hasbrouck, Brigadier General William Hoge and Major General John Devine would go on to long distinguished careers forged in battle using skills developed in Louisiana.
A new generation of officers moved to the forefront, including Generals George S. Patton and Dwight D. Eisenhower and Brigadier Generals Adna P. Chaffee and Jonathan Wainwright. Within weeks of the conclusion of the maneuvers, Chaffee received a promotion and orders to form the nation's first armored divisions replete with tanks and geared for rapid movement. He authorized the acquisition of land near Leesville for the 3rd Armored Division, which later was to distinguish itself in the battle to retake
Normandy and in other crucial European engagements. The new post that Chaffee helped establish ultimately became Fort Polk.
To the casual observer of the Louisiana Maneuvers, the street fighting was an exciting diversion. The long-term implications, however, were deadly serious. Within a year and a half of the first maneuvers, the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor, thrusting the nation into a global conflict that ultimately killed sixty million people. The training provided during the Louisiana Maneuvers and later at Fort Polk, as stated by many of the leaders of the armed forces, proved pivotal information in turning the tide toward victory.
At this dangerous juncture in history, the United States' military was ranked seventeenth in the world, behind even the tiny country of Romania. The May 1940 Louisiana Maneuvers created a unique opportunity for the U.S. military to witness first hand the strengths and limitations of both air power and armored warfare. While participating in the war games, military leaders experimented with the question of how an armored unit would perform when combined with an infantry under a single command. After fewer than forty-eight hours of formation, the new unit had advanced some seventy-five
miles in one day. During this advance, the improvised force won various simulated battles, including the May 15 surprise dawn attack on Leesville. Combining tanks and motorized infantry under one command proved to be a strategic breakthrough.
During the maneuvers, another notable figure stepped onto the Louisiana stage. A colonel at the time, George S. Patton was destined to have a significant impact on Louisiana, on the military, and on training methods at Fort Polk. Patton was invited to an historic meeting regarding armored warfare on the final day of the maneuvers. The gathering, held in the basement of an Alexandria high school, was kept secret from of the army's most powerful officers. The topic of tanks was so highly charged that attendees could have possibly risked their career advancements by participating. Nonetheless, these men had just witnessed how effective tanks could be. The experience convinced them that the army had to change quickly if it was to be effective against potential enemies. At the meeting, the group, later called the Basement Conspirators' decided the Army should immediately create an independent agency to strengthen armored forces. One of the Basement Conspirators', General Frank Andrews, Assistant Chief of Staff, relayed the participants' recommendations to the Pentagon and his boss, General George C. Marshal. Within two weeks Marshal took action. On July 10, 1940, Chaffee assumed command of a new corps, consisting of two armored divisions and a reserve tank battalion. Within a year, a third armored division was added and was soon moving to the new headquarters at Camp Polk.
The Louisiana exercises served as a vast laboratory for testing strategies and innovations. For the first time, C-rations were consumed by large numbers of troops. Army Chief of Staff Marshall declared central Louisiana the "finest training area" he had ever seen. Dwight D. Eisenhower was another U. S. Military figure whose career took a dramatic turn upward directly related to his participation and performance in the Louisiana Maneuvers. There was also General Lesley McNair who oversaw the entire 1941 Armored Maneuvers. Besides supervising these maneuvers, McNair was responsible for training the Army and National Guard troops. More than anyone else, he was ultimately credited with preparing millions of young soldiers to fight in World War II. He would also become the highest-ranking officer to be killed in action.
A significant development during the September 1941 Louisiana Maneuvers was the success of the four-wheel drive vehicles. The next year, the Ford Motor Company and Willys-Overland both mass-produced vehicles similar to these that came to be called jeeps. The jeep vehicles could travel almost anywhere and they quickly became the Army's workhorses
The exercises in Louisiana provided thousands of men with their first experience of armed conflict and ultimately helped many of them survive overseas. One such member of the armed forces to benefit from this kind of training was Staff Sargeant Louie Alexander, father of Dutchtown High School Principal David Alexander.
Drafted in 1942 at the age of twenty-two, Louie Alexander, a resident of Ruston, moved through Fort Polk and Camp Beauregard in central Louisiana. He continued his training at Fort Youstas in Virginia. After six more weeks of physical and obstacle course training he was sent to Camp Edwards in Cape Cod, MA where he underwent rigorous artillery training. Mr. Alexander said, I trained on the 90 mm anti-tank gun and the 90mm anti-aircraft gun, which could shoot 30,000 feet in the air.
Soon afterward, the Japanese Army captured Kiska Island off the west coast of the United States. Louie was deployed to the coast of Canada in response to this occupation. He stayed there for six months until the Japanese were driven off the island. At that same time, Hitler had pushed the German Army forward toward what would become the Battle of the Bulge. Sargeant Alexander soon learned he was headed to Belgium. He was sent directly to Southampton as his point of crossing the English Channel. The channel was mined, he said. Some of our equipment had been delayed coming from America, so we were delayed on our crossing. I was with the 76th Infantry and we had to trade times with the 86th. On their third day, two ships were blown apart by mines and every man on those two ships was lost. We felt very lucky but it was with great sadness that we understood how close we had come to death and we had not even entered into the fighting yet.
The mines were cleared, and the 76th had its turn to cross the English Channel into France. They joined two divisions of General Patton’s army which had marched up northward to Europe from Italy. Earlier they had fought and won in Northern Africa in some of the war’s fiercest battles against the “Desert Fox”, German Field Marshal Erwin Rommel. Mr. Alexander and his fellow soldiers experienced two months of fighting Germans to clear them from France near the English Channel. They then turned their attention inland to France which had been captured by Hitler. They engaged the Axis power in the Roi Valley. Hitler underestimated their forces in large part because of the new battle philosophies developed by the brave men in their Louisiana Maneuvers. Mr. Alexander told us, "The English were very instrumental in leading our forces with advanced artillery," another tactic studied and revamped after Louisiana. "We were a young group, many just out of high school, but we ripened fast. We had to, but it was tough. We were fighting in the thick forests of Belgium and Germany at one point. The temperature was minus twenty-seven and we had not yet been issued overcoats." They experienced heavy fighting in the bitter cold, and their heroic efforts proved worthwhile when they later liberated Bukenvald Concentration Camp.
The Army's 711th Railway Operating Battalion arrived in Louisiana in August of 1941 to begin laying tracks connecting Camp Polk to Camp Claiborne near Alexandria, some fifty miles away. They trudged through miles of fetid swamps to raise twenty-five ridges, aided by a clanging steam powered pile driver. The workers designed and built the bridges with little experience, but after finishing the rail line the 711th traveled to Iran where their Louisiana experience helped them maintain the Trans-Iranian Railroad, which carried vital military materials to Russia throughout World War II.
In December 1944, with blistering efficiency, Germany attacked along a seventy-five mile front along their border with Belgium and Luxembourg. This late in the war American strategists assumed that if Germany somehow managed to mount an offensive, it would not be there. The region was sparsely populated with the dense Ardennes Forest. Undulating terrain with few good roads, covered with a thick blanket of ice and snow made the area seem untenable for German-style tank warfare. The Allies had siphoned away forces from the area so they were ill equipped to handle the onslaught of nearly a half million troops and tanks. The Germans created a breach in the Allied lines and their objective to battle through to Brussels and Antwerp seemed within reach. Time was of the essence for the Germans. At the site of a small village named St. Vith in Belgium, the American troops in the area were the 9th Armored Division. Trained during the Louisiana Maneuvers, the 9th were outnumbered by more than six to one. Despite these overwhelming odds they used their intensive training and strategic expertise to delay the German assault for over forty-eight hours. Allied forces were able to scramble and gathered personnel to send to the region where soon one of the most famous and deciding confrontations of the war would take place, The Battle of the Bulge. The soldiers' skill, courage, and sacrifice provided Eisenhower time to move more fresh troops into the Bulge, a tactic that would eventually stem the German tide. The American units trained at Fort Polk accomplished one of the most spectacular defensive stands in United States military history. Staff Sargeant Louie Alexander, during his time of great bravery and service, was paid fifty-four dollars a month. He was almost as far across the spectrum of military hierarchy as he could possibly be from the decorated General Patton. Yet these two heroes have an overriding common experience that makes them more alike than different. These two soldiers and hundreds of thousands of others can point to the lessons they learned from their time spent in Louisiana as the single most important reason for victory. It is without question that Louisiana and its people truly helped save the world.
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“A Soldier’s Place in History”
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In some of the pictures in this thread were some tanks that I did not recognize. The only one that was familiar to me was the Stuart. I am familiar with the Grant tank, but there was another tank that was similar to the Stuart that is new to me. Just wondering.
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M2A1 Medium Tank

1,000 were ordered into production in June 1940. However, the M3 Medium was nearing completion and only 94 were completed. These were used for training.

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M2 Light Tank

This M2A4 is externally very similar to the M3 Stuart. However, visible differences include the raised idler wheel, seven pistol ports ringing the turret compared with the M3's three, and the recoil mechanism of the 37mm gun extended from the gun shield and was therefore protected by armor. This tank apparently has its sponson machine guns fitted. This tank was in England in 1942 or 1943 and was part of a Lend-Lease shipment.
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So, of these tanks used in the Louisiana Maneuvers, only the M-3 Stuart saw combat later in the war, correct? That picture that you posted of the M-2 indicated that it was in England as part of a lend-lease shipment. I don't recall any of those being used, but as usual, I could very well be wrong. As not being a tank expert by any means, the M-2 looks as if it could hold it's own against Japanese or Italian armor, but that's about it. Again, that's just my opinion, and it's not based on any concrete knowledge. Anything with a combat narrative with the M-2 that I can get my hands on out there?
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The M2 Medium was never used in combat. For the M2 Light Tank,

"By December 1941, the M2A1, M2A2 and M2A3 were used for training only. A few M2A4 saw some combat in the Battle of Guadalcanal with the U.S. Marine Corps and remained in service in some areas of Pacific until 1943.
Britain ordered 100 M2A4s in early 1941. After 36 of them were delivered, the order was canceled in favor of an improved Light Tank M3."

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"Light Tank M2A4
Final version of the M2, standardized in May of 1940. It announced the Stuart, among others by introducing the turret mounted 37 mm gun whereas the previous model hadn't gone further than machineguns. By contrast to the few dozen units of its predecessors produced, more than 300 M2A4 left the factories, benefiting from the start of the US rearmament. M2A4 saw action at the start of the War in the Pacific during the Japanese invasion of the Philippines and in Guadalcanal. 40 were delivered to Britain, which used them for the defense of the homeland and later for the training of the Stuart crews. None saw combat in EuropeIt already looks like the next type, the Stuart. The distance between the bogies, the mantlet, the gun shield and the rear of the hull among others allow an easy distinction between the older and the newer type.Built by American Car & Foundry Co. , Baldwin Locomotive Works"

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Thanks again JC for a series of very informative posts. I will read up on these tanks in detail.

I know how you feel about the "what iffers," but here's one that may be a little different. What if there were no Louisiana Maneuvers in 1940 and 1941. The war carried on along historical lines. What would happen? Especially in the ETO.

Of course to keep in line with the thread, just consider this a rhetorical "what if." I shudder to think of what would happen. Good thing the maneuvers were conducted. Too much would have changed without them.
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