The film-Pearl Harbor-fabulous movie-but like most Hollywood spectaculars it has its flaws.
Simply, at the end of the film USN nurses receive the Purple Heart-now considering this is for war wounded and they werent wounded-why are they receiving this decoration?

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Just one of the thousand piles of crap in that stinker
I hated Pearl Harbor, long and terrible

Why doesnt the gal at the end have a big pregnant belly? You know how long it would take to get back from China? Months. What BS.

Tricking the Zero's to hit each other head on? Come on, even in Star wars it looked fake.

Shooting down the Jap aircraft from the water tower? I luv it

The movie is just one huge pile of shite

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I've got to admit, I thought Pearl Harbour was an absolutly terrible movie

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So did I, but for other reasons. The girl reminded me most painfully of a girl I knew not so long ago.

Actually some of the planes vs. ships scenes were quite ok, but I still MUCH prefer Tora Tora Tora, which is about 2m away from me, and which I am strongly considering to watch again tonight! [img]smile.gif[/img]

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What really makes me mad about the movie is how in all the previews it is hyped up as a war movie. It is supposed to be about Pearl Harbour god damnit. They simplify the Japanese motives and preparations for attack into about 10 minutes and then tell a love story for 2 friggin hours. Then we get about 10 minutes of great and accurate footage of the actual attack (not including the fictional element of the two flyboys).

This movie was almost as bad as Titanic, which happens to be my most hated movie ever.

I agree Ether, PH was a sorry attempt at a war film. It sit on the same level, (very low), as Titanic.

btw, Welcome aboard.

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Here we go again....

While I agree that PH was less that accurate, it was fun to watch the fighting scenes. Thus, it is a good "butter & popcorn" movie. But come on, you can't go into it with high expectations in the first place - especially if it has Ben Affleck(!) I'm convinced that pretty much ANY WW2 film will be blasted here. Its a guarantee that every film will have inaccuracies; just have some fun why don't you?

And guys--guess what?

Disney will be re-releasing PH with most of the lovey-dovey junk omitted and the "war" put back into the war movie.

They did it the way they did as a "politically IN-correct" movie--to placate all the clintonites--which all it did was mess up what SHOULD have been an excellent film the first time around.

I never saw a Disney made movie that I hated untill they played the clinton game. I hope they remake the movie: "Flight of the White Stallions" which was about the German Officers from the Vienna Riding School, somehow contacting gen Patton and convincing the "old Cavalryman" to rescue these fine Lippezanner (spelling?) Stallions. The original movie had Robert Taylor as Col. Podisky (spelling?) and Eddie Albert as his suboordinate, and I think possibly Kurt Jurgens as their commanding general.

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I want to kick the sh#$ out of my brother every time he says that pearl harbor was his favorite war movie and how he thinks SPR was crap (I don't want to even get into what he says about some of my other favorite war movies). It gets my blood boiling thinking about it. There was so much crap in that movie, I think it was a dishonor to the men who fought there. I saw some making of the movie thing and it had good old Ben saying this was a film for the men who fought in pearl harbor,I could go on for an hour explaining just the opposite.

Down with Disney!

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Im willing to give Disney a chance to redeem themselves once they actually do re-release the movie. Lets wait and see what happens.

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I guess I should give them one more chance, out of the kindness of my heart.

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Also, remember all the good stuff they had in the past. Remember the Davy Crockett series with Fess Parker--and many others--I do and I still watch them. Flight of the White Stallions was another fav of mine as well as A High Flying Spy and many others.

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<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by panzergrenadiere:
I want to kick the sh#$ out of my brother every time he says that pearl harbor was his favorite war movie and how he thinks SPR was crap<hr></blockquote>

WOW what does he say that he HATED so much in SPR and what does he LIKE so much about PH?

As for my own feeling about PH i was looking fwd to that movie for a whole year! I really don't mind some patriotic cheese...but this one even overwhelmed me!
The whole romantic part was SO shallow and unbelievable...ALOT in that movie was SOOO hollywood. So i came out of the theater pretty much let down. BUT the scenes that i looked fwd to for so long were REALLY great. Most of the attack i thought was great...and even the doolittle raid...well some of that was cheesie too but it ran pretty accurate hehe. but yeah i'd say the killer for that movie which also seems to be the general concensus was the romance part...i remember the first time i heard it was going to be a romance with the backdrop being the attack and events following i got alittle nervous. oh well
Oh and no one blacklist me but frankly i loved Titanic [img]tongue.gif[/img]

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yeah, me to Ron. When I heard about Titanic, I was determined not to like it....but I thought it was pretty good...mostly.
As for Pearl Harbor...well Im still not sure about it. On the one hand some of the special affects were downright amazing....shots that just cant be filmed today without those computer dudes. (like the fleet in the harbor, with Japanese planes all over the place as an exsample)...I like to watch it and just enjoy the thing, but try not to think about the politicly correct stuff and the broad!(but I got to admit I've got a crush on her).....But I must say, the main thing that disappointed me was that it was about the fly boys in the first place...I think it would have been much more aprpreate to have the main story line about the Fleet and the sea going Navy....I mean anytime you mention "Pearl Harbor"...the first thing people think of is "BATTLESHIPS AND SAILORS"....not the Army Air Corp....Oh well, maybe thats why Im not a Director...Later guys.

I thought Titanic might have made an allright movie if they cut an hour or so out of it, even my wife thought it was boring, still cant believe LA Confidential lost out to it that year. However Pearl Harbor was absolute drek with no redeeming features.At least U 571, that was also a very factually inaccurate movie had the redeeming value of not being too long.

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I thought Titanic was well done. I also think we better get used to 3 hr or near 3 hr movies--that seems to be the trends of today.

SPR, was close to 3 hrs long, EATG was close as well, We were Soldiers--about 2-1/2 hrs, Black Hawk Down--a bit over 2-1/2 hrs long. P.H. was at least 1 hour tooooo long. TRL was about 1-1/2 hrs tooooo long.

Back to titanic:

I thought the actors were good in their roles, the effects were excellent--and I wouldnt have changed a thing--especially the nude scenes with Winslet [img]smile.gif[/img] The nudity was done in a most decent manner--not pornographic.

This movie was a good version, but I still like the version with Clifton Webb the best. I think it was called:"A Night To Remember" or either that was the British version from the late 1950s or early 60s--I forget which. I also liked the British made movie as well.

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PH was an awful attempt at a war movie. It was nothing more then a chick-flick with marketing to attract the unsuspecting male and generate more $$$.

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CARL, I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING IN YOUR LAST TWO POSTS, BUT I WOULD POINT OUT THAT DAVY CROCKETT AND ALL THE COOL FILMS WERE FROM MR. WALT DISNEY. I BELIVE HIM TO BE A MAN OF HONOR . HE WAS A VETERN OF THE GREAT WAR. HE MADE FILMS WITH HART. I DONT THINK HE WOULD STAND FOR THE KINDA STUFF THE MODERN STUDIO IN CHURNING OUT....AND I AGREE WITH ERICK. NO FILM OF THE WAR WILL BE ABLE TO STAND UP TO THE SCRUNIY OF HISTORY BUFFS LIKE ALL OF US ARE.I TRY TO REMIND MYSELF FROM TIME TO TIME THAT A MOVIE ISENT BEING MADE TO PLEASE ME, BUT THE WIDER GENERAL PUBLIC. SOMETIMES STUPID SENCES OR PHRASES ARE PUT IN SO EVERYBODY WATCHING CAN FOLLOW THE STORY LINE. SOMETIMES I THINK, WE REALLY CAN'T ENJOY A GOOD FILM....BECAUSE WE PICK THE THING TO PIECES....PLEASE DONT MISUNDERSTAND, SOME MOVIES ARE JUST SO MUCH PRADDLE, BUT WHEN IT IS OVIOUS THAT THEY TRYED HARD TO DO IT RIGHT (SAVING PVT. RYAN)THEN IM WILLING TO OVERLOOK ALL THE LITTLE THINGS, AND JUST SIT BACK AND SWALLER POP CORN BY THE HANDFULLS (RIGHT ON ERICK)

Walt--thank you and I agree with you about Disneys movies--I love most of them. Also a little known fact--did you know that Disney was actually Dishonorably discharged from the military? You will see sometimes--a framed Army Document hanging behind his desk in his office when he is talking to you from there--thats his dishonorable discharge paper. But I will always love the movies he made.

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I dont think what we should complain and say this is "Hollywoods" problem, probably, more often than not it is our problem. Now before I get a bunch of fiesty emails saying that hollywood cant get a war film right let me explain a few things. First as we all know holloywood isnt going to consult us when filming due to the fact that when they were finished the only people watching the movies would be us and the few remaining vets (not exactly a money maker). We can all sit down with our favorite movies and pick them to pieces over something 99% of the other viwers would never notice. Some things are unforgivable (PH nurses getting the Purple Heart, (I never did see them get wounded) whereas some of the earlier movies using modified Shermans and everything else to double as a Tiger tank may have been unavoidable (how many of us have a parking garage filled with WWII vintage German tanks to lend to movie companys?) The movies are designed for the most part to bring the war a little closer to everyone not just us. Not everyone is going to identify with Dorie Miller but they may connect with one of the nurses. I dont know about anybody else but I went to see PH for the combat scenes which were incredible and not a love story (I own Tora, Tora, Tora and think it is one of the best PH movies out there but the action scenes arent as good as the scenes from PH, my opinion anyway. If you expected an all-out war film you were only kidding yourselves. I've heard a lot of people say that SPR wasnt like that, thats not the way it happened, yet at the same time I see vets come stumbling out of the theaters crying their heads off and looking for therapy saying "thats what it was like, thats what happened". Until someone who was there can tell me otherwise keep it to yourself. Even among vets, what actually happened can vary yet we expect hollywood to knock out dead accurate movies everytime just because "we know" and they obviously dont. Gentleman, we should enjoy the "our war movies for what they were meant to be, entertainment and hopefully as accurate as "humanly" possible. We would all like to see the perfect war film but lets face-it, it aint gonna happen. Now my rambling is done. Let the emails begin.

PS: I liked Titanic.

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Carl ole buddy, your right. I had forgotten about the dishonrable discharge, but I still think he s loved America and it's history, and tryed to make films that were accurate and inspireing. I rember hearing that his studio turned out a lot of nose art during the war and charged nothing for it. I think to, he produced some of the training films for the Army.....What the heck I was discharged as a PVT. myself (the captain got mad because I beat him in the spelling bee!)

No problem there--he DID do a good many excellent service for his country--just look at all that came out of ww2 for instance

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