Hello Sirs,

My theme is ''WOMEN and THERE role in WORLD WAR TWO''

I realize this can be a huge topic, and im throughing it out there unstructured for a reason.
I would like as much info about this topic as well as your own stories about friends and relatives that suffered threw this experience.

The range is broad, [broad lol get it?] for women in the factory to women in the services, spys and french resistence, bring it on guys.

I want a ton of stories web sites and references.

Lets see what we really think about how our women handled war all over the world.

[ a know this is most likly a tough subject for some becuase its not about weapons and blowing up stuff, lol, but can we take a crack at it?

thanks
ptboat

[ 18 July 2002, 03:47 PM: Message edited by: PTBOAT ]

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In most western nations, women didn't fight. They did build bombs, tanks, and so forth in factories though. In Germany, the military (under Hitlers order, I think) refused to draft woman, even as the Russians were closing in on Berlin.

Speaking of Russians, I do know that women took up uniform and weapons to fight. Under the Soviet system, there was total equality between sexes. (Did they pioneer womens lib?)

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soviet women were tough!

wow they were very brave huh? you have any info on this?

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If my memory is right, a Russian female infantry major was interviewed for the vintage documentary series 'World At War'. She took part in the storming of the Reichstag. Let's just say that I wouldn't like to argue with her !

In the Allied and German forces, women were generally used in auxiliary roles, eg WAACS, WAAFS,WRNS, etc. In England, women were compulsorily called-up for factory and land work ( this never happened in Germany ).

The exception seems to be clandestine work ( SOE etc ) with famous examples such as Odette Churchill and Violette Szabo ( British ) and 'Vera the beautiful spy' ( German ).

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Gentlemen. There were 500.000 women in the regular Red Army and I am not talking about rear jobs... You know about one of the most famous Soviet snipers, the second most famous after Vasili Zaitsev was named Tania Chernova.

Yes, I have watched that Soviet major talking about her experiences on the Battle in Berlin. She actually was one of the very few who saw Hitler's body and the bunker. And also there is another Soviet female-officer who has talked in many telly programmes about the liberation of Auschwitz.

They served in infantry, armour, artillery, etc. My grandfather has told me about it. Their presence made the German soldiers to feel unconfortable. They did not like to shoot women. But they did when they saw that the "red women" fought ferouscely. I personally think that it was for propaganda, to tell about the equalty and supremacy of the Soviet Union, not because the USSR had lack of men...

Actually, my grandmother was a Hauptgruppenführerin (Chief of group) in the Luftwaffenhelferinenschaft (Auxiliary Female Corps of the Luftwaffe) in 1944. She had studied engineering at Bonn and volunteered in 1943. She was such an intelligent woman. She married my grandfather, Oberstleutnant Gottfried von Hammerstein und Hartmann in 1935 at 18. Unfortunately she passed away in 1997.

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Actually, my grandmother was a Hauptgruppenführerin (Chief of group) in the Luftwaffenhelferinenschaft (Auxiliary Female Corps of the Luftwaffe) in 1944. She had studied engineering at Bonn and volunteered in 1943. She was such an intelligent woman. She married my grandfather, Oberstleutnant Gottfried von Hammerstein und Hartmann in 1935 at 18. Unfortunately she passed away in 1997.

can you tell us more on this i promise to be nice-

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holly smokes i got a medal already? how the hect did that happen? lol thanks were ever it came from.

[ 18 July 2002, 10:32 PM: Message edited by: PTBOAT ]

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Hi

I found this on a Danish website, but i have trancelated the most importend. If you need more trancelation, just post an say so.

Female that earn the Ironcross:

Ironcross af 1. grad:
5. november 1942: Flykaptajn Hanna Reitsch.(Pilot)

Iron Cross af 2. grad:
28. marts 1941: Flykaptajn Hanna Reitsch.(Pilot)

19. september 1942: Sygeplejerske ved Det Tyske Røde Kors, Elfriede Wnuk. (Nurse)

?: Sygeplejerske ved Det Tyske Røde Kors, Marga Droste.(Nurse)

?: Sygeplejerske ved Det Tyske Røde Kors: Magda Darchinger(Nurse)

?: Sygeplejerske ved Det Tyske Røde Kors: Ilse Schultz.(Nurse)

?: Sygeplejerske ved Det Tyske Røde Kors: Grete Fock.(Nurse)

?: Sygeplejerske ved Det Tyske Røde Kors: Liselotte Hensel Mutterhaus.(Nurse)

?: Oversygeplejerske ved Det Tyske Røde Kors: Holzmann.(Nurse)

?: Sygeplejerske ved Det Tyske Røde Kors: Elfriede Gunia.(Nurse)

?: Frivillige norske sygeplejerske ved Det Tyske Røde Kors: Anne Gunhild Moxnes.(She was the first foreign woman to recieve the ironcross, Nurse)

?: Sygeplejerske ved Det Tyske Røde Kors: Hanny Weber.(Nurse)

?: Sygeplejerske ved Det Tyske Røde Kors: Geolinde Münche.(Nurse)

?: Sygeplejerske ved Det Tyske Røde Kors: Ilse Daub.(Nurse)
?: Sygeplejerske ved Det Tyske Røde Kors: Else Grossmann. (Muligvis Jernkorset af. 1. grad ? )(Nurse)(maybe se also got yhe 2. grade Ironcross?)

17. februar 1945: Sygeplejerske ved Det Tyske Røde Kors, Greta Grafenkamp.(Nurse)

3. februar 1945: Læge Elisabeth Potuz.(Doctor)

3. februar 1945: Sygeplejerske ved Det Tyske Røde Kors: Ruth Raabe.(Nurse)

1. marts 1945: Sygeplejerske Ursula Kögel.(Nurse)

8. marts 1945: Sygehjælper Liselotte (Nurse)Schlotterbeck.
(all the nurses are with the red Cross)

Hope you can use it.

Sverri

My grams had a friend in I believe the WAVES that flew Coursairs over to the islands. She also had a friend who was a nurse at what I believe was a US field hospital, and if I remember right she got the purple heart. My grams was an air raid warden in civil defense. She said all the women in the red cross and civil defence kinda made up this little mutually beneficial network of war wives and set up a childcare system, victory gardens, driving lessons, all kindsa stuff. Oh, and Julia Childs, the lady who has had that cooking show for like 40 years....she was in the OSS!

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God! I am amazed by all those women!

Therese von Hößtraßer (Bonn 1917-Dresden 1997) was borb inside a fancy family of Bonn. She had an idomitable charachter which led her to enter in Bonn's University in 1935 to study mechanical-engeneering despite her father had forbidden it. Also, she married that year a young cadet who had known in Chiemsee, Bavaria on a holiday, Gottfried von Hammerstein und Hartmann. He was studying at Dresden military academy at the time and was a year elder than her. Again, my great grandfather did not permitt her to marry this guy, just a cadet, from a fancy family which had become poor. She did not listen and married him secretely in 1935. He finished the school and graduated as a Leutnant, meanwhile she kept studying and become engeneer in 1939 but never did much, because she got with child in 1939 and 1942. Two boys: Georg and Gottfried (my father). The war started and my grandfather went having adventures and she faced life alone for a while. He could get a permission sometime after he was wounded in 1941 and returned Germany where he had a short but nice time with his wife... They moved to Cologne in 1942 and in 1943, my grand mother volunteered into the Luftwaffenhelferinenschaft. She knew about communication and machines so she coordinated things about the anti-aircraft artillery, night fighters and stuff in the important defenses of the Ruhr. She lost contact with my grandfather after he left Italy and went to Berlin where he ended the war wounded very seriously. With al lot of sorrow, my grandfather moved to Buenos Aires, Argentina to avoid trouble. He came back in 1952 with his family and in 1962, when the kids had left home went back to Dresden where they ived until 1997 when she died of chancer at 80. Even if they lived far from me they were always so close to me and taught me a lot of stuff. My grandfather then travelled to Italy and Russia to think about his past in a trip for six months, then travelled to Spain where my family was living at the moment and he has lived with us since then.

Here is the history of my grandparents.

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"A mon fils: depuis que tes yeux sont fermes les miens n’ont cessé de pleurir." - Mère française, Verdun

Hanna was I think one of maybe three women toi be awarded both classes of the Iron Cross. Hanna for sure.

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Yes, I had also heard that there were indeed several women who were awarded the EKI...

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THANK YOU FOR SHARING THIS WITH US Friedrich!

its very pricless history. very honest of you to share this information. helps us learn about culture.
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i happened to come across this picture but i have no specifics to go with it. other then the setting is hawaii.as well as between 1942 and 1944.



[ 19 July 2002, 11:11 PM: Message edited by: PTBOAT ]

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In my studies on the russian front I've also run into stories about the women Friedrich mentions. I don't remember where, but I'm pretty sure I read about a woman tank crew member (don't remember which position- I'll look into this) who became somewhat well-known.
And this is a good one- at last years christmas party at work, one of the women I work with recieved a book on "women in history" (I work in a social studies department). One of the brief chapters in the book was on a group of russian women fighter pilots in ww2! It didn't really go into any detail, and had no source page (??), but talked about this group of women that flew together and completed a thorough number of combat missions against the germans...

Despite this, I'm not sure if I'd say the russians were necessarily farther ahead on female equality. I think it's more along the lines of they needed anyone who could fight! I wonder how conditions for women remained after the war...

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The Russiand had Female Tank units--Artillery units, Infantry units, Signals units etc.

I wrote a piec about 18 months ago which is published on Vladimirs Stalingrad site. It was a story of an all female anti-tank unit stationed somewhere to the front of The Red Oktober Factory (Stalingrad)

This unit was made up of female factory workers from the Red Oktober Factory.

An alarm was called, the female unit went to their postiions at the front and watched the growing dust clouds on the horizon grow larger and larger.

The noise that came from the growing dust storm was the noise of a German Armored unit on the attack.

The females stood steady next to their A/T Pieces ready to defend their factory.

The first of many German Armored tanks and vehicles came into their view and soon shells were exploding everywhere all along the battlefield front and some to their rear.

Troughout the day (I dont know if this bit is actually true or not)but supposedly this German Armored unit made up to 7 different assaults on this A/T position, and were repulsed. On some of these attacks--supposedly there was hand-to-hand combat.

At each attack, this unit suffered irriplacable casualties. Finally, the Germans launched another attack, which overwhelmed this unit and supposedly all the women were killed.

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