dose anyone know what the exact requierments for joining the ss were? I'm just curious and would like to know. Also what were the measurements and proportions of the ideal aryan? I'm doing research on this and if anyone could help I would be much appreciative.

William P.

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Originally you had to be typical Nordic in feature. Blonde hair, blue eyes, tall, slim, athletic, built. Then Himmler saw that these same dimensions were shared by some Slav minorities-he didn't want to suggest that the SS were being compared to mere Slavs!!!
So he said any fit, able German could enlist in the SS-later extended to include the famed 'Foreign Legions' of the SS incorporating Russian Cossacks, Brits, Yanks, Aussies, Frenchmen, Indians etc etc-the SS turned out to be one long contradiction-the Waffen SS that is, as far as I know the Allgemeine SS always stayed true to it's principles...

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I knew that much. But I thought that when himmler made thous considerations that he didn't even notice the slaves. In his oppenion a dark haired dark eyed german was better than any nordic slav.

I also know that origionaly to join the ss you had to prove your "pure" "aryan" ancestory back to 1750 and you couldn't have any imperfetions even as insignificant as a filling.

Since I study physical anthropology (the study of where ones ancestory is from bassed on physical featuers mostly in the faceial area) I was wondering how much himmler screwed up the science with false standards and measerments.

William P.

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"Strategy is the art of making use of time and space. I am less chary of the latter than of the former. Space we can recouver, lost time never."
-Napoleon

"We cannot change politics; we must do our duty silently.
-General Werner Von Fritsch

"Those 16 year old assholes commanded their Regiments in Big shining Mercedes cars as though they were Corps Commanders."
-Erwin Rommel on the Hitler Youth

That's why their persecution of the Jews was so false. You measure a person's face and you should be able to tell if they are Jewish. Now, TRADITIONALLY, only, Jews had bigger noses and defined cheekbones. However, Anyone of us could turn Jewish tomorrow, and our faces wouldn't change dimensions, so really, you couldn't tell!!!

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"CURRAHEE"-War-cry of the US 506th PIR.
"Everybody thinks that they are going to get the chance to punch some Nazi in the face at Normandy-and those days are over, they are long gone"-Lt Chris Burnett

I have Info for the Waffen-SS.

There where three "levels" of W-SS, each according to the individual's mustering:

Mustering level "Kv.-SS" (kriegsverwendungsfähig-SS or "fit of active service in the SS"): SS-suitable, suitable for being member of the SS-order ("ordensfähig")Germans and other "Ayrans".

SS-Divisions made of those men were named SS-8tank, Grenadier, Mountain]-Divison "name", f.ex. 2. SS-Panzer-Division "Das Reich" or 16. SS-Panzer-Grenadier-Division " Reichsführer SS" etc.

Mustering level "Kv.-Heer" (kriegsverwendungsfähig Army): German and germano-like people who hadn't found SS-suitable and not "worth" being member of the ""SS-Order". Those Divisions had the "Freiwilligen" (volunteer) in their name, f.ex. 7. SS-Freiwilligen-Gebirgs-Division "Prinz Eugen" or 28. SS-Freiwilligen-Grenadier-Division "Wallonien"

Any other, no matter which mustering findings, espec. non-Ayrans. Those Divisions were named as Waffen-[Grenadier, Mountain, etc.]-Division der SS (country, No.] f.ex.:

14. Waffen-Grenadier-Division der SS (ukrain. Nr. 1) or 20. Waffen-Grenadier-Division der SS (estn. Nr. 1)

Hope this helps a bit.

Cheers,

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To be in the SS you had to have a few important characters:
- so tall
- no Jewish blood or Jewish ancesters
- typical Germany looking (although Norvegians, Flemmings were also alowed in the SS)

That's all I know

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Thank you all for your help. There are still some questions I have but I will probably need to find that on the net or from a veteran (That will be near impossible but I would suppose an origional LAH member might know) What I was looking for was in preicular what kinds of documentation and other evidence was needed. Also what were the minimum and maximum meauserments and proportions one could have and still be considered "Aryan" a good web site for modern physical anthropology is www.nordish.com It's a very good web site if you want the truth about physical anthropology. It's very interesting too. Check out the "race gallary" it tells what is typical of the european subraces, and it gives photographic examples.

very interesting indeed.

William p.

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Mien Ehre heißt Treue!

"Strategy is the art of making use of time and space. I am less chary of the latter than of the former. Space we can recouver, lost time never."
-Napoleon

"We cannot change politics; we must do our duty silently.
-General Werner Von Fritsch

"Those 16 year old assholes commanded their Regiments in Big shining Mercedes cars as though they were Corps Commanders."
-Erwin Rommel on the Hitler Youth

The induction process became stricter in 1942.
On Himmler's orders, Hauptsturmfuhrer Professor Bruno K Schultz submitted a set of criteria to the RuSHA Racial Commission, before which all SS applicants had to appear for final acceptance.

The criteria had three headings ; racial appearance, physical condition and general bearing.

Five racial grouping were listed : -
- pure Nordic
- predominantly Nordic or Phalic
- harmonious bastard with slight Alpine, Dinaric or Mediterranean characteristics
- bastards of predominantly East-Baltic or Alpine origin
- bastards of extra-European origin

Only the first three were acceptable.

There were then nine physical headings to be fulfilled relating to stature and proportion.

Earlier, from 1935 onwards, every SS man had to produce an 'Aryan' family tree going back, in the case of other ranks to 1800 and officers to 1750.

This information comes from Heinz Hohne's standard work 'The Order Of The Death's Head' ( London 1969 ).

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thank you very much I appreciate your help

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Gott mit Uns!
Und
Mien Ehre heißt Treue!

"Strategy is the art of making use of time and space. I am less chary of the latter than of the former. Space we can recouver, lost time never."
-Napoleon

"We cannot change politics; we must do our duty silently.
-General Werner Von Fritsch

"Those 16 year old assholes commanded their Regiments in Big shining Mercedes cars as though they were Corps Commanders."
-Erwin Rommel on the Hitler Youth

Indeed, and some stupid concentration camps guards used prissoners who were painters or something to paint for them a family three, which made a stupid Bavarian fat guard to be related with Otto von Bismarck, Friedrich "Barbarossa" and Friedrich "the Great"...

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"A mon fils: depuis que tes yeux sont fermes les miens n’ont cessé de pleurir." - Mère française, Verdun

What?

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Gott mit Uns!
Und
Mien Ehre heißt Treue!

"Strategy is the art of making use of time and space. I am less chary of the latter than of the former. Space we can recouver, lost time never."
-Napoleon

"We cannot change politics; we must do our duty silently.
-General Werner Von Fritsch

"Those 16 year old assholes commanded their Regiments in Big shining Mercedes cars as though they were Corps Commanders."
-Erwin Rommel on the Hitler Youth

That they told lies about their ancients!!!

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"War is less costly than servitude, the choice is always between Verdun and Dachau." - Jean Dutourd, French veteran of both world wars

"A mon fils: depuis que tes yeux sont fermes les miens n’ont cessé de pleurir." - Mère française, Verdun

Perhaps during the war but certainly not before the war. The RuSHA made a very serious job of checking family trees of both those who wanted to become an SS-member and those girls who wanted to marry an SS-member.

[ 24. November 2002, 07:08 PM: Message edited by: Timo ]

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Just my two cents,
Timo

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Thank you

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Gott mit Uns!
Und
Mien Ehre heißt Treue!

"Strategy is the art of making use of time and space. I am less chary of the latter than of the former. Space we can recouver, lost time never."
-Napoleon

"We cannot change politics; we must do our duty silently.
-General Werner Von Fritsch

"Those 16 year old assholes commanded their Regiments in Big shining Mercedes cars as though they were Corps Commanders."
-Erwin Rommel on the Hitler Youth

Waffen-SS recruitment standards went through several stages during the course of the organization's history. Designed at first to be an elite formation of Germans, the Waffen-SS grew so enormous that it gradually abandoned all but its most basic requirements and opened its ranks to anyone regardless of "race", ethnicity or nationality.


PREWAR TO 1940: THE "BLACK ARISTOCRACY"

At first, recruitment standards for Waffen-SS troops (Leibstandarte & SSVT, perhaps to a lesser extent the SSTK) were extremely tough. Recruits were expected to be

between the ages of 17 and 22

at least 168 CM tall. (5' 9" - Himmler's height)

with no criminal record

since 1935, SS recruits were required to have a pure "Aryan" genealogy (aka no Jewish forebears) going back to 1800 for enlisted men and 1750 for officers

Terms of service: minimum 4 years for enlisted men, 12 years for NCO's and 25 years for officers.

The requirements were in fact so stringent that only 15 out of 100 applicants were accepted. RFSS Himmler boasted that not only did her personally look at the photographs of officer applicants for the SS, but that his organization did not accept a candidate with even "one filled tooth!" Such absurdist standards did not please the more practical SS leaders such as "Sepp" Dietrich .

http://www.wssob.com/standards.html

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Albert i think you are confusing german-looking with germanic-looking.

regards

William P.,

Your close but a small correction is still needed:

Meine Ehre

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