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March 10th, 2003, 08:42 PM
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For interest- the Finnish "Hurricane"
Pyörremyrsky ('Hurricane') is a Finnish low-wing single-seat interceptor. The front fuselage is of steel tube construction covered with aluminium skin panels. The rear fuselage and wings are of wooden construction.
Conceived to make maximum use of the indigenous materials, with emphasis on suitable for operating from small Finnish frontline airfields under the most severe climatic conditions, the Pyörremyrsky was designed as improvement of the Bf 109 G which was in service at the Ilmavoimat (Finnish Airforce).
On 26th November 1942 the Finnish Air Force ordered two Pyörremyrsky prototypes from the State Aircraft Factory, the completion of the aircraft being scheduled for May 1944. The aim was to design a fighter that would be in the same speed class as the Messerschmitt BF 109 G, more manoeuvrable and also suitable for the ground attack role. By employing a larger wing area than that of the BF 109, the desired performance was achieved: Pyörremyrsky was more agile and lighter at the controls than the German aircraft.
Pyörremyrsky flew for the first time on 21st November 1945, piloted by Esko Halme, but due to changes in general situation the flight test programme was not completed. After climb and speed tests PM-1 was transferred to Kuorevesi where it registered a few additional flights. Total flying time remained at 27 hours, which were accumulated by 22nd May 1947. Pyörremyrsky's engine and propeller were of the same type as in the BF 109 G; this fact for its part prevented serial production because supplies of Mercedes-Benz (Daimler-Benz) DB 605 engines from Germany were cut off when the German-Finnish war began in the autumn of 1944. Yet the design effort for the Pyörremyrsky was not wasted, because it gave valuable experience, and the Pyörremyrsky's wing profile was later used as such in the Vihuri.
( The Bf 109 G was in Finnish service until 1954!)
Wing span: 10.38 m
Length: 9.13 m
Height: 3.89 m
Wing area: 19 m2
Operating weight: 3310 kg
Maximum speed at 6400 m: 620 km/h
522 km/h (324 mph) at sea level
Time to 5000 m: 4.5 min
Ceiling: 11250 m
Endurance: 1.5 h
Power plant: one Mercedes-Benz (Daimler-Benz) DB 605 A-l, 12-cylinder liquid-cooled inverted V-engine, power output 1475 hp
Armament: one 20 mm MG 151 cannon, two 12.7 mm LKK/42 machine guns
The Pyörremyrsky
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The Poles seem to be interested in WW2 Finnish aeroplane designs...
http://www.samoloty.ow.pl/str003k8.htm
http://frhewww.physik.uni-freiburg.d...ch/109/wvl.htm
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March 10th, 2003, 08:47 PM
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A site for Finnish aeroplanes in WW2 in alphabetical order, PICS!:
http://www.sci.fi/~ambush/faf/aircraft.html

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March 11th, 2003, 12:29 AM
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Nice site Kai, im surprised Erich or martin hasnt seen it yet.
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March 11th, 2003, 02:17 AM
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Finland Airforce was definatley the most diverse Airforce in the world, didnt know they had P-40's though. Thanks
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March 11th, 2003, 11:21 PM
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You wanna see a diverse Airforce--look into what the Swiss used in ww2. Can you imagine an ME-109 shooting down another ME-109? actually happened from time-to-time when German Fighters slipped into Swiss airspace while chasing a damaged Bomber.
I was in Switzerland when in the news--they had found a downed American B-17 and nearby--or within a few miles--they had found an ME-109 that had been shotdown by the Swiss Air force.
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March 12th, 2003, 04:12 AM
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When did they find that?? Anyways Finland had that too. Hurricanes on Hurricanes. Russian Tanks vs. Russian Tanks. I didnt know The swiss would shoot down Germans though.
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March 13th, 2003, 02:42 AM
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They had just found the wreckage of both aircraft late sept to early oct when I was in Switzerland.
Yep--they shot down agressive aircraft throuought the war. Mostly German though.
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Yes the Swiss had alot of B-24's and B-17's by the end of the war due to battle damage or crews tired of the war. German aircraft also landed but I don't have pictures of these in my magizanes.
The crews were interned and treated well except if they tried to escape. I am not sure if RAF bombers landed. Going over the Alps at night in a damaged bomber would not be fun. 
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March 13th, 2003, 11:59 AM
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A grand total of 186 US-planes crashed or landed in Switzerland. Compared with just 12 British planes this is a great number. I suppose this has to do with the fact that the US practised daylight bombing, so it was much easier for the US crews to find a safe place to land when they were in trouble or ranned out of fuel. When they were in the neighbourhood of Switzerland it sounds logical that they tried to make a safe emergency-landing in Switzerland. Better than trying to get back to the UK homebases flying over heavily defended France and the Low Countries.
Dubendorf Airfield was the most popular location to land. The busiest day of all was March 18th 1944, when no less than 11 US Bombers landed at Dubendorf. That day Dubendorf looked like a USAAF base in the UK!
Switzerland kept strictly to its neutrality and so ALL aircrew were INTERNED. It didn't matter if they were German, British, American or Italian. They were all kept Interned during the rest of the war.
After the war all were released and even the planes were given back to the owners, less the Axis aircraft!
http://home.tiscali.be/ed.ragas/awswissinfo.html
http://www.jmi.com/WWII/page_one.html
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March 13th, 2003, 09:28 PM
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I saw a book at Barnes and Nobles bookstore several months ago. I havent seen the book since then but, it gave many eyewitness accounts of what happened in the air over Swiss territory. They also had many pics showing allied (mostly American) aircrews in internment camps (mostly former recreation sites that also has swimming pools and tennis courts) and showed the men having a pretty good time of it.
There were a few interviews with ww2 Swiss vets that according to what they said, they mostly just shot down the German aircraft--as they were thought of as "The Aggressors."
I have no clue as to the name of that book but, it wasnt published by a major publishing-house either.
I wanted to buy it but didnt have the money at the time. I noticed that it VERY quickly left the shelves.
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I love planes with rare insignia!
I own a picture of a captured B-17 that flew some test flights for the Germans. Imagine this B-17 with Luftwaffe insignias and a big Swastika in the tail.
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